Who would have though that the Red Bull's downfall would be so entertaining. Though that isn't even the downfall yet, Max is still leading the championship with a comfortable gap. Lewis was much more moderate in his criticism after 7 years of domination. Maybe there's more behind the scenes, including the treatment of his father and Marko.
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I miss the aggressive Verstappen, I know it is toxic but Redbull climbed the throne by being ungentlemanly. The weekend was a shit show, I just love how entertaining it was. Rooting for Redbull last year was boring as hell
How do you go back to work in a team that has this guy as a leader? Or one that has a sexual predator for a team boss? Completely toxic.
No wonder Newey wants out.
Max is no leader. He's a fast driver in a fast car, but he shows zero leadership qualities. He's a spoilt child surrounded by Yes people. He can't rouse the troops, talk inspirationally, engineer solutions or ensure he fees the best out of people. He can throw his toys out of the pram and be a dick. That's not leadership.
Who do you mean with leader? Max is not a leader. That's why he cannot just change things as he wants. Max has been complaining for ages about the direction of the team.
I see mostly as cause the passing away of Dietrich Mateschitz. That started the in fighting to get more influence and power instead of people working together. I'm guessing Dietrich would've handled the harassment case much earlier and much better. Before Newey you had a designer leave for McLaren. I'm guessing the team was toxic for longer than it was publicly noticeable.
I like drama in Formula 1, but this is unneeded drama. Similar to McLaren creating drama by giving Norris an undercut. I like drama, but it needs to be good, these things feel like a terrible tv drama show level of fake drama :-(
Who do you mean with leader? Max is not a leader.
Max doesn't just show up and put in a driving shift over the race weekend and then clock off on Sunday. Of course he's leader within the team. He may not be the leader but he's a super important part of the team. Any driver in his position would be. Same with Hamilton same with Alonso, same with Lecrec. They're all leaders and role models in their team.
Before Newey you had a designer leave for McLaren. I'm guessing the team was toxic for longer than it was publicly noticeable.
Yes I agree. Red Bull, to me, has always had that image.
Yes, he is a super important part of the team.
But if you actually listen to the way Marko, Horner or GP talk with him and about him publicly, I think it is pretty clear that they dont consider him a leader in the team in the same way someone like Ocon was at Alpine, or Leclerc is/was at Ferrari. They still treat Max like a parents treats their kid. And that dynamic isnt good.
Of course he's leader within the team.
You haven't explained why you say he is the leader. He advocated for changes for ages. He has influence, that's not the same as being a leader.
In commentary they often say that the driver is leading the team. But that doesn't mean that drivers are leaders, nor that a commentary reflects what role and abilities a driver has within a team.
You haven't explained why you say he is the leader.
Buddy, stop. I'm not here to get into a semantic argument with you. Chill out. This is part of my reply.
He may not be the leader but he's a super important part of the team. Any driver in his position would be. Same with Hamilton same with Alonso, same with Lecrec. They're all leaders and role models in their team.
Buddy, stop. I'm not here to get into a semantic argument with you. Chill out. This is part of my reply.
If you don't want replies, why reply yourself?
And I responded to that part. You say that he's a leader. Without saying why.
You haven't explained yourself, then you continue to not explain yourself. You mention you don't want to get into semantics, then quote something you said before. Meaning, you don't want a discussion, and then by qouting it's you who continues discussing.
Up to now I've explained why a driver isn't automatically a leader. But I haven't seen any explanation of your reasoning. It comes over as assertions.
Anyway, take Lewis. He used to lead the team. That doesn't mean that any driver is a leader. Nor that Lewis always leads or is always a leader. Mercedes completely ignored his input about the drivability of the car for multiple years. In a recent podcast Mercedes mentioned that overlooked something about their car for multiple years. In all of those years they've been ignoring Lewis.
Max isn't automatically a leader, same for Lewis.
Or in another way, that an apple is a fruit doesn't imply that all fruits are apples.
OK, have a good one. 👍
When things don't go his way, aggressive mode comes on again sadly. Seems it's getting worse too. Wouldn't be surprised if he moves on to Le Mans or something else within the next 2 years.
Dude got that temper from his father and grandfather. Both pieces of shits. His dad emotionally abused Max when things didn’t go his way during Max’s karting days. Jos even punched his own dad. At least Max is a okay guy of track while his dad is an asshole all year round.
I think its more about being behind Lewis. If there is one driver who Max won't tolerate being wheel to wheel is Lewis. He is happy to fight Leclerc.
He got shafted on the strategy by Red Bull, they should have done a better job at calling the pitstop and avoid getting undercut..
I don't even think he was shafted on strategy particularly. He went much longer, was able to put the faster mediums on for a shorter period at the end and should have finished 3rd if he wasn't so busy being an angry, stroppy child.
I think it’s more that he doesn’t like when the other driver doesn’t just yield and let him pass. Lewis is one of a few drivers (Also Norris in Austria) that will fight hard with Verstappen, even giving him a taste of his own medicine sometimes.
It felt more like complete frustration of a strategy that he said would be terrible before the race even started. Then it turned out to be terrible, then your team argues for the terrible strategy.
Max is hot heated, but why add fuel to that fire? Those radio responses, great way to get an angrier racing driver.
Even in this race some drivers got heated, then their racing engineer calmed them down. E.g. "yeah you made your point, now let's focus on the race" or something.
I wonder why he doesn't like losing to the only black driver on the grid?
Come on, mate. That's some BS. Lewis is one the greats of F1 and Max has a lot of respect for him. Max being the competitor he is, will never accept being outperformed by him, he defeated Lewis to take his championship and now he has to defend it from Lewis.
Max very well knows, the only driver(s) (with car to their liking) that can challenge him (for a full season) are Hamilton and Alonso.
Almost true except that Verstappen doesn’t have respect for anyone, and he shows clearly every time he doesn’t have a missile under his car but he has to fight.
Yeah, you're right, that was bullshit from me. Sorry.
Wow, imagine this conversation happening on Reddit.
On Reddit, you'd all be dogpiled, then permabanned for racism and misogyny.