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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

90s kid, and I grew up playing Counterstrike and the Warcraft/Starcraft series online. Multiplayer games tend to be the most fun when you've got a community of people around you to game with, and that's something high school / college provides in spades but adult life really finds lacking.

I'm mostly sad I was a bit too old to get into the Collaborative/Competitive game scene - that sweet mix of RTS and FPS you got from Tribes or the more heavily modded versions of Team Fortress or EVE Online, where you would build up a base's tech tree before launching a climactic battle against your opponent's main base.

Interacting with other humans and following the strategic "meta" to execute increasingly elaborate plays and strategies adds depth to relatively simple games. Whether I'm playing tennis or battling it out in the technodrome, there's something fun about the PvP experience that PvE can't replicate.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Just FYI, there's a new Tribes game that came out a few months ago.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

No kidding. I'll give it a look.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

We need to bring back independent MMOs with shit graphics and low enough overhead to run in the browser.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Old school RuneScape is still going strong. Though you'll need to download a jar to play it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah they launched on steam and mobile a few years ago, too.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

I'm also a younger millennial, but I think this is just somewhat attributed to having enough bad experiences with PVP games, and that's fine.

The fact you are playing against other sentient, strategizing, sometimes malicious, but sometimes naively innocent, unpredictable, biological machines is just something you can't really find in single player games.

There's all kinds of pitfalls where you either take things too seriously, too personally, or just meet a ton of assholes in too short a time. It's a bit like life itself. It's got the highest highs, and the lowest lows.

Single player games are simply a lot more consistent in avoiding the lows, but at the cost of never being able to reach those highest highs of knowing you did so well against actual human beings, opponents you can consider your peer or even smarter than you. No single player AI opponent can match that. They usually never play by the same rules as you do, or lack the same weaknesses you do.

But since we remember the lows much more vividly, everyone remembers PVP games as being miserable. Yet we keep playing, because deep down we're hoping to get that high again. I think it's fine to let people enjoy that. But it might not be for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ironically I've mostly stopped playing PvP games because matchmaking, at least for me, has turned PvP into single player with very sophisticated bots and a random outcome. Really think about it, hypothetically if someone made an AI model where the input data is players playing the game and then used that model to direct bots in your match without your knowledge could you even tell the difference? I grew up with community servers and as someone coming from that era the matchmaking process feels like it is missing human connection. You're not going to make friends there and half the players will treat you inhumanely anyway because it's not like they're going to see you again.

Since matchmaking is me getting matched with X random people who I'm never going to see again I might as well be playing against the computer and if I'm already going to do that I might as well get a more curated experience.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Some people don't get highs from beating other people.

PVP sucks. There are always people willing to spend more money than I am on a game.

Campaign style playing with others isn't AS bad, though.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I must be good at compartmentalizing because the moments I vividly remember from PVP are the hard-fought wins, both 1v1 and as a group.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't mind PVP games when I know the folks I'm playing against. I used to have a job where we'd play Unreal Tournament during lunch on the company LAN, and I loved it even though I wasn't that good. I'd bring my computer to LAN parties in high school, and played Descent over a modem with my friend before that.

But when it's some rando it's not nearly as fun.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I feel bad when I lose, and I feel bad when I make someone else lose, so pvp is just constantly feeling bad. There's no feeling of being good, just feeling bad.

I don't feel bad about winning against the computer.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

One thing that grinds my gears is this obsession with competitive MP. What happened with co-op? I have these great memories playing games with friends on the couch, cooperatively. Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, etc.

The moment online multiplayer appeared, these types of games disappeared. Its either competitive or mmporpgs. It's weird, I never understood why that happened. It's either fight ourselves or nothing. Just imagine what could be done. Playing a single player RPG with just a friend. Fight together or split side-quests. So many possibilities.

I guess it's easier to make people spend money on in-game crap when they're trying to one-up someone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

My brother and I used to spend hours playing together in an old 2-player dungeon game.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah! Beating up the computer with friends is great! Couch co-op seems to have gone away, at least somewhat. I know some exist, but my memory has been bad lately so I forget err...what they are making.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Especially considering the cheap shortcuts and literal cheats the AI pulls off due to lazy/hasty programming... I'll happily teabag the computer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I just hate that you spend so much time looking at menus when you start a online match. They’ve added so much friction because you basically start in the store. And then you have to wait in the lobby. If you only have time to play one match you spend a third of your time not playing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I need to avoid competition for my mental health sake. It isn’t even fun I just can’t stand losing so any game that makes me lose will see me pouring countless hours to ‚win’ whatever that means.

It’s honestly like some kind of disability because once any small amount of competition is involved it ruins everything for me. Let’s say I enroll in drawing course. Someone there is better and now I can’t sleep because I need to win or something. It’s exhausting and like a prison of mind in a way.

It’s not that bad nowadays thankfully but like few years ago it was all such maddening race to who knows where instead of savouring the meaningful. Frankly it’s still the same but competition now is who is the wisest

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Sounds like a very common trait of ADHD, namely perfectionism

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