Here they go through Europe biggest fuck ups 90 years later. I'd say enjoy the ride but they'll pull the whole world in.
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Weirdly, the percentage who agree with that statement, by political affiliation, are: Left - 25% Right - 29% Center - 37%?!
I’m sure 32% of those 32% would say that authority should allow abortions.
The dissonance is astounding. The average mouth breathing MAGA is either so poor and stupid that they don't realize that their taxes are going to go way up and their services like Pension and medical will evaporate. The other type of MAGA supporter is probably a fairly well off enough to insulate them from the worst of this (except the tax shift to them) but are happy because they get to openly hate the people they see as a problem which will lead to blow back that they can't understand. Bad times ahead if trump wins guaranteed
So much for "Give me liberty or give me death!".
I guess a Christian fascist theocracy is a good option for some.
This coming from the "if you exchange freedom.for security you will enjoy neither freedom nor security" folks.
Just a quick question: give me one, ONE simple example of a successful military dictatorship that didn't take the country to hell and left damn near all its citizens poor, suppressed, and suffering?
Thailand regularly has military coups.
Also.... Do you really want a military dictatorship run by right wing Christian extremists with an obsession with the end times with access to nukes? Just something to ponder about.
Would you accept a US military coup to remove bunch of right wing Christian extremists that have taken things too far?
It might actually get to that point. Not hoping for it but it wouldn't surprise me
France under DeGaulle?
Edit to add: It's not an assertio, it's a question I don't know the answer to.
That was not a military dictatorship, was it?
Not really. There certainly was a concentration of levers in the government, but while it certainly had authoritarian traits, it wasn't militaristic and was still quite free. There was a healthy opposition.
I hate a military dictatorship but to play devil's advocate: South Korea and Taiwan?
I'm not saying their transition to democracies was bloodless or clean but they managed. Those two are extreme examples and not models, one country built after a war that split the country in two, the other fleeing the mainland to create its own state. But I'm stretching to find a better example.
Arent both democracies now?
That was my point, these hand-picked examples didn't end up as hellholes. That said, it wasn't always smooth, lots of blood in SK's hand. I was playing devil's advocate.
In any case, the USA is not in the desperate situation these countries were in.
I’m not saying their transition to ~~democracies~~ liberal democracies
FTFY - so-called "liberal democracy" is about as democratic as "social darwinism" is Darwinist. And those are two terrible examples to use - they only went pretend-democratic after the fascist regimes murdered and tortured any elements in society that could be called democratic with a straight face.
If that's what you want for the US you might just as well start marching with the fascists.
Taiwan probably fared better than Korea in that regard.
Whoa, that last question would require historical knowledge, and education is Satan, didn't you know?
Sparta
Slavery? Really? That's your example?
Well yeah, they asked for a simple example, I gave one. What's wrong with that? The discussion is already in the realm of "military dictatorship" which aren't exactly known for respecting human rights/freedoms of non-citizena. The question was about the sustainability of such systems for those deemed citizens.
Maybe the citizens weren't suffering but their massive slave population definitely was. Heck, the reason they trained so hard was to put down slave revolts.
Sure, but that wasn't the question.
There is no country, democratic or authoritarian, on this planet that currently doesn't rely to some extent on exploited, indentured, or enslaved non-citizens, either domestic or abroad.
We need a robotic slave force.
It has worked SO WELL for...
Well I wouldn't want to bother them with history.
I hate this so much.
Know what FINE! I say we give them a Democrat run military regime that imposes our beliefs on them under threat of execution. This solves a couple problems. It lets them feed their persecution fetish, so they can finally cum and chill the fuck out. It also alters their stance on the issue. Conservatives don't care about anything until it happens to them. Once they see how their fun ideas plays out against them, they will actually care about the issue and how it affects others. A lot of their "imma bring down the gubment with mah AR-15" clowns will find out their ideas are as impotent as they are. After their wet fart of a revolution fails, and a few years of learning what real oppression is, we voluntarily go back to a democracy.
Could be fun times!
How very in-American of them. I thought those conservatives were all about 1776 and independence from a king/dictator. I guess it’s more like they want their king is charge to crush anyone who has slightly different views.
The conservatives during The War of Independence were The Loyalists. The progressives were The Patriots
Insanity. I have seen these people in operation my whole life, and I still don't understand this type of thinking.
Sigh.
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