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He will weep. (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 months ago

Someone is clearly uncomfortable in their body.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

DIOGENES, holding a chicken he plucked: Here is Peterson's man.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago (14 children)

Poor snowflake can't handle three little letters :(

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Mr big brain resorting to threats of violence.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

Look a lot of us wish we weren't cis but them's the breaks

[+] [email protected] -25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Are we not respecting people's self chosen labels now? I must have missed the memo

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Self chosen label

Have you chosen to be cis? Have you chosen to be trans?

Because there isnt any other option. If he isn’t cis, then he is trans.

cisgender /sĭs-jĕn′dər/

adjective

1. Identifying as having a gender that corresponds to the sex one has been assigned at birth; not transgender.

transgender /trăns-jĕn′dər, trănz-/

adjective

1. Identifying as or having undergone medical treatment to become a member of the opposite sex.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You could call somebody a slur then go "why are you getting worked up? It's what you are, look at this definition in the book". A person can say "I don't want to be called that", regardless of who they are. If you don't respect it, you're not being nice.

Simple as

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

… you think cisgender or transgender is a slur?

Ok. “call me a person to my face. see what happens”. If you’re not a person, what label do want?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

I've certainly seen people attempt (and fail) to use cis as a slur online in an intentional way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

… you think cisgender or transgender is a slur?

Bro, I wrote 3 sentence that say no such thing and yet, you think that's what I wrote. Read it again. Good grief.

A person can say "I don't want to be called that", regardless of who they are. If you don't respect it, you're not being nice.

Is that really that difficult to understand? If it is, maybe you need to go back to 6th grade and start over because your reading level wouldn't even be that.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

(Technically, there's a secret third option: agender. Agender folks are not cis, but not necessarily trans, either. Source: am agender)

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What is his chosen label beyond "not cis" because he hates trans people?

[+] [email protected] -10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Making fun of people for them asking to have their labels respected seems inconsistent.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Again, what label?

[+] [email protected] -7 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I don't know their labels, but I do know they have expressed a preference to not be called 'cis'. Respecting people should include respecting their requests not to be labeled with vocabulary they object to.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (6 children)

These words aren't made up on the spot, they are one noun (gender) with a Latin qualifier prefix added that denotes something about the noun (cis).

You can't "object" to being categorized based on your attributes; Cisgender is the same kind of word as heterosexual, which is just the word sexual with the prefix "hetero-" meaning different.

If you are a straight man, you can't simply object to being called heterosexual as it is a term that describes you. The alternative is being something besides straight/hetero.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're still not getting it.

You could have a preference for not being called slurs, as most people do, but "cis" isn't a slur or a label, it's a descriptor of if you are or are not transgendered (or agender).

Everything we know about Jordan B. Peterson clearly tells us he is not trans. Thus, he is cis-gendered.

If Jordan expressed a preference to not be called a human being, and then someone came to you and asked "what species is Jordan B. Peterson?" , would you try some euphemism for 'human' because "Jordan has expressed a preference to not be labeled human" ?

No, you wouldn't. You're just trying to strawman this bullshit so that "since trans people can choose their preferred pronouns, Jordan can choose if he wants to be labeled cis or not", which is just not how anything works.

It's like those Americans who get offended that the Spanish word for black is "negra/negro".

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

In case you missed that it's Peterson or are just not aware of him, he's a man that based an entire "career" in the spotlight on not respecting people's requests to be labeled correctly at the cost of his actual career and sanity.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Ok, if this person has trouble respecting others, we don't demonstrate basic respect for their human rights? Doesn't that imply the thing we want everyone to do as a basic aspect of their humanity is optional if we can turn it off when inconvenient?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not when that person is a bad faith actor. He's not asking not to be called cisgender because it somehow relates to his identity but because he's promoting a certain worldview. He is the first to say that words have immutable meaning and is educated enough to know what the cis and trans prefixes mean and how they are not exclusive to gender.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Oh god it’s JP I didn’t even notice 🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 259 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Oh I didnt realise Jordan Peterson had come out as trans! 🏳️‍⚧️

[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 months ago

uwu

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Okay, is queer better?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

JP’s pronouns are twat / cunt, as in ‘that twat JP has been saying bullshit on the internet again’ or ‘I hope that cunt JP has shut his big mouth’

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Botox in the brain. Not even once.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't Botox tho, right?

Like the dude who's all about "personal responsibility" couldn't man up and make it thru benzo detox got put in a coma to avoid it in a eastern European hospital because no one else would risk it

Then they couldn't bring him out of the coma and he got brain damage.

But did he really get Botox in the brain to intentionally cause the coma?

Like, that just sounds even more insane...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

A coma to avoid benzo detox?

I mean, I guess that's one way to skip it.

I'd personally just let the docs provide me stuff to deal with the symptoms along the way, it's not like it's going to be any quicker

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 5 months ago (15 children)

I don’t understand why some people get so bent out of shape over the term cisgender. Latin prefixes are even more common in English than abbreviations like AMAB.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's just transphobia. If you don't have cis (wo)men and trans (wo)men, then you just have (wo)men and trans (wo)men, which implies that trans (wo)men are not (wo)men.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Got it. I didn’t understand because they make it seem like it’s an insult to be called cisgender. They’re actually just upset that it removes an avenue of bigotry.

Fucking gross.

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[–] [email protected] 149 points 5 months ago (2 children)

i don't know what's more pathetic: a) that a grown ass man still makes /c/iamverybadass threats on the internet; or b) that there are grown ass men who actually think he's tough

[–] [email protected] 62 points 5 months ago

People who think Jordan Peterson is very badass.

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