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Let me preface this by saying I am a man, and smoked a little too much, so I'm sitting here thinking... what is or was the original purpose of a bra? Weight support? Vanity? Covering the nips so people's eyes met your eyes and you can have a normal conversation? Like what's it all about?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Advantages of bras:

  • Look nice (if you're into that look, which many people are)

  • Keep your nipples from chafing

  • Support/containment for larger boobs

  • Keep prudish people from being mad at your nipples

  • Can be worn without a shirt for sports if they cover enough real estate

  • When breastfeeding, help catch/absorb leaks

Disadvantages of bras:

  • Uncomfortable if not fitted right
  • Sweaty as fuck on hot days
  • Expensive
  • Many have to be hand washed if they are fancy

I would say I wear bras about 30-50% of the time and it's usually for either support/chafing prevention or looks. The rest of the time I can't be bothered. I'm also lucky to not have super large breasts. I know women who do may find a good fitted bra to be more comfortable than no bra.

When I was breastfeeding I wore them all the time though because it is super awkward to leak through your shirt in public.

Edited to add bullet points bc I suck at lemmy formatting

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

I have 38C and I wear a bra for a variety of reasons. It does help with support, they weigh a lot and having them bounce freely hurts. It's like having two large water balloons taped to your chest. Every slight bump or jolt pulls on the skin.

It also helps with sweating. Underwood sweat is a real thing and just as uncomfortable as armpit sweat or thigh rub sweat. A bra helps to absorb sweat and moisture under there.

A bra also acts a a sort of "armor." My breast's are rather sensitive, and rubbing against my shirt or other stuff can be painful. Having a bra layer protects them from chaffing and rubbing.

There's also a bit of vanity to it, depending on type and style of bra. Some are utilitarian and functional only, some are stylish, and some are designed to show off in low cut blouses.

Personally, most of my bras are entirely function and utility as I work as a welder. I'm covered head to toe in safety gear, so wearing a pretty or revealing bra just isn't practical.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You don't want to provoke the boomers with a young woman's nips!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish I did have nipples that offended boomers, but I'm a cis straight dude

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Look bro, and I apologize if any of my language seems harsh. I'm still trying to figure out if you're trying to be instigating with your correction. So instead of an argument where we both lose, were you trying to just be corrective and respective or we're you just trying to be a grammar troll?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I took it to mean they meant that said boomers were only feigning taking offense but in reality enjoying the view.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

No no no. Absolutely not! I'm assumingly speaking for most people in general. I'll do my best to make sure I'm the only asshole in my assumptions

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

it was rather ambiguous, fair point

i was going for sexually uncomfortable as in predatory old man vibe

i can guarantee you one thing... me deff not a nazi grammar and my sloppy body of work is testament to that

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I see. You have suggestions to reword it with sou ding creepy or should I just delete the whole thing?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

not a suggestion for rewording, i think u/cheesymoonshadow did even better than my explanation.

Just highlighting that that "offended" is fake news for people who don't understand boomer psychie

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I sent a comment before this, but afterwards I realize I had an opinion on this. I'll delete the first point, but would still like a link to who you were talking about. And my asking isn't something that is going to offend me, but you feel it's relevant thus my opinion is relevant to your opinion. Do you think I have an outdated perspective?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If you used offended as per dictionary definition, then yes.

Boomer behavior re younger women is a bit unsettling, I noticed when I was growing up. I am making broad strokes here obviously but large segment of male population see nothing wrong with the likes of Epstein and his clients. Also, they used to make jokes about casting couches etc... how did that age? Hollywood? Gaetz or whatever that tsex pest ordering jail bait comes to mind too, they will execute that shit.

I have seen them acting "offended" in person, it was not offense, it was some weird power flex or in ability mange their urges. An adult man who acts like that is registered as sex pests in my mind.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I'm neither going to disagree or agree with you with the regard of the question that I asked. Epstein and the ilk is a completely different conversation that I personally would not rather not get into ATM. And I want to reiterate that me not wanting to talk about it is neither a condemnation or a promotion.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Breasts can get heavy, and the sensation of gravity constantly pulling down on the skin of your chest and on your soft tissue can be very uncomfortable. If you get sweaty, moisture can get trapped underneath and cause rashes or fungal infections. Moving about, they can get in the way of your arm movements and if jumping or running the movement can be downright painful. Imagine piercing your ears with heavy weights and then shaking your head. You would want to minimize their movement!

Historically, women have used woven cloth bandeaus, breast bands, belts, straps, stays, corsets, bralets, bodices and all sorts of things to try to minimize movement and support breast tissue. Bras are just the most common contemporary thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So with all you mentioned (and please don't misunderstand my intention for asking. I truly am unaware) does it cause damage to the actually mammary glands in the breast? Or are you just referring to skin deep damage?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

It can cause some damage, in that the tissues inside the breast can lengthen and lose their firmness. It doesn't damage function in any way but it could be considered premature aging. There's that photo series of the white woman with the African tribeswomen and they're comparing their breasts,

NSFW

because the African women were so interested in how her breasts were a different shape than theirs. If you've seen pictures of people from cultures who don't wear clothing that supports breasts, you can see the difference in shape that constantly fighting against gravity makes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I know exactly what you're talking about, and again please excuse my ignorance and bluntness, but saggy boobs don't necessarily mean lack of milk production?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Correct, in fact size, shape, perkiness, all of the cosmetic factors seem to have no correlation to milk production. The major factors for an individual's milk supply seem to be age, genetics, stress and hormone levels.

Source

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I'm a small breasted woman who does not wear a bra. The reasons of practicality and comfort are described below for bigger chested people (I didn't see mentioned that if they are really big and you try to run without serious, sometimes two sports bras on they can fly up and hit you in the face). I do sometimes accidentally hit my nipple on something, which I don't like.

But in my experience, people get upset at seeing boob shaped boobs. Strangers tell me I should be wearing a bra. They want bra shaped boobs. Nipples are scary.

I haven't worn one since middle school when it was new and fun and made me feel "grown up" (but uncomfortable). But some years back I got shingles and apparently permanent nerve damage on the nerve group that would be right under the bra band on my back and anything irritating it makes me feel like I'm on fire so it's just not going to happen. Certainly not in the name of sparing the general public the scandal of seeing boob shaped boobs in a loose T shirt. At the very most I will use silicone tape to hide my nipples in very formal situations.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not busty either, but I hate the feeling of my chest moving around or hanging. Sport's bra's are the only thing I wear. Even while sleeping.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm a man, and that's how I feel about boxers and being nude. I don't like that dangle feel of uncontrolled swaying on a sensitive part.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

A kindred spirit. Saggy/floppy bodyparts man...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Ngl. I've hit my nipples on things and it sucks. My dogs have ran their nails across them and they burn for the rest of the day. I totally feel that pain

However I'm a guy and have had to apologize multiple times to women because my eyes just trail down to the chest. I don't know psychosomatics of it, but it's not something I consciously intend to do.

Beyond that, I don't mind whether women do or don't wear a bra. Breastfeed in public if needed. It all should truly be none of my business. However, I donate to breast cancer research every year for a reason. And that reason is I think about boobs. My wife has my favorite pair though.

Anyway, I digress, I never really knew the original purpose of them and figured I could satiate my curiosity and have a conversation about boobs with people

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

A lot of replies here ignoring the obvious - patriarchy, religion, and capitalism.

There are plenty of examples of societies past and present, for the vast majority of the time humans existed probably, where breasts are free to exist as they are. The people those breasts are attached to do all manner of work and activities without hinderance, or chafed nipples. Just like those with flat chests do.

The reason that in (especially our western) modern world we are expected to wear bras has to do with puritanism, shame, control, and profiteering from all of the above.

Comfort is categorically not a priority of the billion dollar bra industry, the trillion dollar advertising industry, nor those who demand we wear them to be "respectable", lest we "excite" their, or their son's, urges or "distract" them from their important manly duties (and if we don't, and they attack us, it'd be our fault for not being "modest" enough and "asking for it").

When we have all been socialised with these demands and expectations for centuries, they become so deeply ingrained, it's really hard to separate from our own free will, and yet ask any group of people who wear bras what the best part of the day is, and they'll tell you it's taking it off.

And to be clear - this isn't a judgment of anyone who wears a bra, I wear an underwire once in a blue moon which I hate, but am usually in a sports bra because I feel more comfortable with everything held in place (and also have nosy neighbours I'm not that friendly with), it's about questioning why I feel more comfortable that way, and how much of that is natural vs manufactured by a society that demands I keep everything held in place, hidden (unless they're "required" to sell something or entertain the mens), and forever impossibly youthful and perky.

Anyway, I'm stoned too and I tend to ramble, so I think I 'll leave it at that for now lol

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

A lot of replies here ignoring the obvious - patriarchy, religion, and capitalism.

They're not. OP is asking the actual point of them, and you're bringing modern politics into it, which are a very recent development. "Bras" go way back, like thousands of years BCE, all with very different functions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean no offense, but after all of the work women have done to get the rights and regards that they have today (don't misunderstand me, there's still work that can be done), and excuse my assumption, but it would be more or less the woman's control of whether they would/should wear a bra, so the argument (I'm going to summarize to list to a single word. I mean no offense, but it's my perception. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) of whether you should or shouldn't is a feminist argument that feminist are the ones that argue about the most. However, I still believe "your body your right". Do what you want.

However I had 2 ulterior motives for asking: 1) to actually know where and why bras were first used 2) the vast majority of people (cis, trans, straight, gay, men, and women) enjoy boobs. There are people on the planet that sexualize boobs, but boobs are a hot topic. People enjoy talking about boobs, and to me it's a weird phenomenon. About the only exception I think to that rule would be gay men, but they can probably still appreciate a good pair of pups.

Again, I mean no offense. I just believe that some conversations about boobs are neither alienating or innapropriate. I hope I explained this in a way that isn't creepy. If it does seem creep, please let me know and I'll try to reword it

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I think it's much the same purpose that underwear serves for the testicles (and penis). As a man, I honestly can't remember any time I walked around without underwear, but I'm pretty sure it would be worse than with. Things would just flail everywhere.

Other answers about bras are great but I thought the male flip side ought to be mentioned.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Meh. I went without underwear for a while. It's kind of freeing when I'm at home, but those times I have to run out and forget to put on shorts or pants without a belt, it's a little stressful lol. The first thing my wife does when she gets home is takes her bra off, so I ultimately guess it could be the same, but there's no social impacts if men don't wear underwear under their trousers when in public

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