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Six motorcyclists rode into Death Valley National Park on July 6. Only five came out alive. With temperatures reaching 128 degrees Fahrenheit in California, the cyclists faced extreme heat exposure that killed one and sent another to a local hospital, according to the National Park Service.

When there’s a medical emergency like this, helicopters are typically dispatched to get people to a hospital. However, the extreme heat made it impossible for the helicopters to fly.

The next day, an emergency helicopter pilot in Stanford, California had to cancel a flight because the tarmac near a patient was too hot for him to land. As reported by The Washington Post on Wednesday, the pilot said he’d never seen temperatures this bad in his 27-year career.

Extreme heat, as many across the U.S. are experiencing this summer, can cause computer and mechanical systems on board helicopters to overheat and malfunction. But it’s not just a mechanical issue as air pressure is also a factor. Air expands when it’s hot and contracts when it’s cold. As it gets hotter outside, air pressure plummets. The air literally gets thin which means that spinning helicopter blades have less air to cut through and it’s harder for them to achieve lift. That makes it dangerous, and sometimes impossible, to fly.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

why are people riding motorcycles into death valley? Aren't you like, advised to not even step out of your car, or like, stop moving. I'm pretty sure there are recommendations on riding motorcycles out there also.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd consider it a form of elaborate suicide pact.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

yeah no that seems like a fair assessment to me.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, why would you do sports in death valley?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

It’s quite a nice place for that sort of thing … in the spring when the highs are 80 or maybe 90 at the very worst…

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Six motorcyclists rode into Death Valley National Park on July 6. Only five came out alive.”

ffs gizmodo, five out of the six survived. That a bit over 83% as a survival rate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Same as Russian roulette...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Sounds like the beginning of a riddle.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

My friends and I don't consider a ride successful unless at least all six of us die

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

You're right about the wording, but I'd say that a four out of five survival rate when it comes to a group of motorcyclists and heat death isn't really great odds.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

It's because "all but one survived" would melt their readers' brains

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Oh no, what a tragedy, are they saying golfers in the Death Valley have to travel by car like plebs?!

It's only to get to their private jets in an airfield immediately next to it, but the humanity!!


(Not the Devils Golf Course, thats just named that, the actual thing is in the lowermost point, in 'Furnace creek')

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Death Valley is not going to be the only place where this is an issue. It could even be an issue where you live at the height of summer.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The climate change & weather models didn't change all that much in the last 70 years, they just became way more precise & can predict changes very locally (more input data and better computers).
Insurance companies use grids of a few 100km.

My region is getting periods of more serve precipitation (with hailstorm increase) & more severe droughts (as in 3 to 4 weeks at a time), bcs of that some areas could become more prone to land/mudslides.

Temperature wise both summer and winter extremes are gonna get higher, but being and more importantly straying between fronts/systems should help ease things, a bit.

But most importantly, I do not have a habit of traveling by helicopters, tho medical transports will suffer, yes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

tho medical transports will suffer, yes.

Putting that at the end like it's an afterthought when it's one of the biggest problems is ridiculous. Someone already died because of this problem. It's going to continue to be a problem where people will die because of that. I'm not sure why you think that isn't a big deal.

Also, I grew up in the state I'm living in now after not living here for a decade. The difference in summer heat is not minor. We never used to have summers this hot for this long when I was a kid. We had a week last month where the temperature was above 95 every day. Also true for this week. Temperatures in the 90s in June were enough news to make the paper beyond the weather section when I was a kid.

The sun's only been up for an hour and it's already 76 degrees. Again, that is not even close to normal when I was growing up. So telling me that it hasn't changed all that much in the last 70 years when I've experienced that change myself over less than 50 is not especially convincing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

... medical transports are one of the biggest problems of climate change?

And what afterthought? It's in the title of the main post.

Also, who alive for a few decades didn't notice climate change first hand?

Edit:
Wait, did you not get the sarcasm in my golf course post?
I do not care about golf & golf courses should not exists at all, ever.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, medical transports are one of the biggest problems of helicopters not being able to fly due to climate change, something you mentioned at the very end.

And if the rest of your post wasn't about "it won't be too hot for a helicopter most of the time," I'm not sure what the point was.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That was not what I was trying to say at all. Where did you get that impression?

I was replying directly to:

It could even be an issue where you live at the height of summer.

I was just replying what is and will be happening hereb locally, since you kinda asked/brought up the possibility.
(And yes, during severe storms helicopters can't fly either)

But high temperatures are not the worst of climate change, not even close - it's the biohabitat loss & all the hydro changes (precipitation, reservoirs, running water, ice and snow coverage, etc).

A lot more people will die (are dying) bcs of lack of clan water (that there was once in abundance), bcs of the diminished agricultural production in their region, and bcs of wars resulting in all those people moving en masse to better regions for pure survival (and wealthy nations will block their entry by force).

Ofc its horrible when someone can't get to the hospital in a timely manner, but it's a lot worse if there isn't a hospital to go to.

And no, I wasn't sure why would you even bring it up in such a way:

Death Valley is not going to be the only place where this is an issue

I am aware of climate change. I am aware it's not happening just is one valley. Why would I think that?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

and climate change deniers are probably still at it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

No probably about it.

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