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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's not that easy. First, who are the centrist? Things shifted to the right so much Macron is definitely right wing. You might call the Parti Socialiste (PS) centrist, it has a right and left wing in itself. In this sense you can call it an alliance.

But if you are talking about Macron's party I wouldn't call that an alliance. Some withdrew when they were against a far right and a PS opponent but some didn't when it was against a far right and a leftist opponent (or they had to be heavily pressured). And now in the parliament it's definitely not going to be an alliance, they'll be voting against most things the Nouveau Front Populaire (NFP) brings up, they voted with the far right in the past and will do it again.

The whole point of Macron's dissolution was probably to break the left in the first place, and they keep trying to split the NFP by saying they are willing to negotiate with it's center part but not it's left part.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

May I ask why the meme template got mirrored?

[–] [email protected] 96 points 4 months ago (1 children)

To go to the left I guess.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I thought it was because Europeans drive on the other side of the road?

But I'm not 100% which side France uses.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Only the UK & Ireland (and Malta maybe?) drive on the left in Europe

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

There are some interesting repercussions of the expansion of the British Empire too. British Virgin Islands drive on the left with right hand drive cars. Islands that were purchased by other nations, like St. John, use American left hand drive cars while driving on the left side of the road.

I rented a car in St. John, and I can say it’s so bizarre being the driver on the white line side of the road.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 4 months ago (5 children)

It's literally this easy...

It just requires the centrists to side with the left.

What I don't get, is in any country they're routinely the ones that screech "both sides" when criticized.

Like bro, youre not "the left" your by your own definition "half way". Why wouldn't a centrist get criticism from both sides?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It won't be that easy. The centrists are more like rightwing. They delivered a nasty immigration law and THEY installed the far-right with their gamble and bad politics. We won a battle but the war isn't over...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah it's hard to argue that Macron is a centrist. Sure he was elected as one, but his actions are pretty self explanatory

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Yep, we have three factions in America:

  1. Conservative
  2. Moderate
  3. Progressive

1 and 2 criticize 3

2 and 3 criticize 1

But when it's time to criticize 2...

If 1 does it, 2 "compromises" with them

If 3 criticizes 2, then 2 starts screaming about "both sides" and saying group 3 is really group 1

It doesn't make any fucking logical sense, but that's where we've been for decades. And it's not working.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

it's quite a simplistic view. Even in the left side you can have some flavours, so you still have to check how they will compromise and not stab you in the back. We're in that kind of fucking shit in France right now.

In America, you're kinda fucked, but worse. If you had elected Bernie Sanders ("left"), maybe you would have a chance, but now you're stuck with a neolib old geezer (your center I guess, but it's a bad joke), and a far-right dictator. Good luck with your middle ground...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (5 children)

What's frustrating is progressives already won the fight back in 08...

But instead of Obama putting his people in charge of the DNC (national Dem party) he just ignored the party, because the party ignored (or even hurt) his campaign.

So when Obama left office, the party went right back to their old bullshit.

Now we need to do it all over again.

It's honestly not that hard to fix, just ever since 08 the DNC has fought a lot harder to ensure progressives dont control the party.

Every election that goes by that a progressive doesn't win, the party locks it down tighter.

This election they removed delegates from an entire state for our primary, because they always went first and kept voting progressive.

And by and large, people just didn't care...

Hell, lots of Americans still don't even know New Hampshire had their delegates stolen.

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