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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It may be my ignorance, but the history of the USA i know starts with the massacre of indigenous people, then goes to the massacre of black people, then the massacre of mexicans, the massacre of communists, then the massacre of vietnamese ppl, then iraqs and afhgans, and so on. Where is the part that inspires the idea that the USA has such great values?

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You left out a bit. We also fought the British, and the Confederacy, and the Spanish, and the Kaiser, and the Nazis, and Imperial Japan.

America's history is complicated, and full of atrocities, like the history of nearly every major nation.

The values he's referring to in the comic are the core principles espoused in the founding documents. The idea of one nation with liberty and justice for all. At no point in history have those ideas been fully realized, but striving to meet those ideals is what America means to the Captain, not some borders on a map or colors on a flag.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Remember when Nixon made him so hopping mad he quit and took on the mantle of Nomad over it? Pepperidge farm remembers.

I'm pretty convinced all the craziness with hydra cap and old cap was just the writers trying to dodge the backlash of having Steve Rogers be the cap that made all the political statements that Sam Wilson did as cap during that stretch that happened to line up somewhat with the Trump Presidency.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

Sounds like pinko commie talk. Am I right?

[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Much like Jesus would not recognise his "followers", Cap would not recognise the "america" he was fighting for...

[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Considering he went to war in the 40s, I think he would recognize this America. For all of our flaws, we're doing better now than we were then.

Like he said - he fought not because America is great, but because it is fragile. America is not some shining precious jewel, it's a deeply flawed creature - the only thing that marks it as worth saving is the ideal that all people are equal. The further we get from that, the closer we come to being nothing more than trash and a rag.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiorello_La_Guardia

New York City in the 1930s was full of Socialists and Communists.

Much of the 1950s Red Scare was set up to punish the 'premature anti-fascists' who a young Steve Rogers would have listened to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

But in that fragility, he understood that we were only as strong as our weakest link

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago

Dang. This is a real Captain America from a "What If?" Published in 1983. "What if Captain America was thawed out today (1983)?"

Please save us, Cap. Oh wait, I guess now Disney owns you, too.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago
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