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The Spanish government has a plan to prevent kids from watching porn online: Meet the porn passport.

Officially (and drily) called the Digital Wallet Beta (Cartera Digital Beta), the app Madrid unveiled on Monday would allow internet platforms to check whether a prospective smut-watcher is over 18. Porn-viewers will be asked to use the app to verify their age. Once verified, they'll receive 30 generated “porn credits” with a one-month validity granting them access to adult content. Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits.

You have to request more porn credits from the government if you need more? Don't want the government to be tracking this data of you. This is a privacy issue

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago

Yo what the fuck guys can you not

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They made this to send people from legal sites to illegal sites.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Enthusiasm is funny ha

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

I wish they would just push all the big mainstream porn sites to remove the most abusive misogynistic content rather than slapping these checks on everything.

Also this will never be okay until there is a zero knowledge version that means neither the government, nor the sites, nor any other party can establish a given person's habits which is probably not something they'll ever do because tracking is probably part of the point.

I'm not a fan of the easy access to porn that kids have or the proliferation of the industry in general but I am worried that as part of this harmless things like erotic roleplaying websites will be swept up as part of it and well I use those. And their point is not porn though some people host and share porn as part of it (which is why it'd get swept up with it eventually probably), it's about writing, smutty, erotic writing. And I'd rather not have to tie my identity to my desires to roleplay out an elf who ends up making “friends” with the wolf-men tribe to my real life identity (I'm not claiming that's something I do there but it's an example of something that would be kind of embarrassing for others to know and it's far from the weirdest stuff that goes on in places like that).

Government having credits for how often I could say log in and continue a long-term erotic writing campaign with someone is just weird but that's the end point of this kind of thing. Having credits seems not helpful anyways, the true porn addicts are just going to download stuff then share it in private forums, discords, p2p, etc. If the point is to stop kids from accessing this the credits thing seems odd.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What gets me about this is that, while it would still be bad, they could have mostly avoided the privacy nightmare here with some kind of Zero Knowledge Proof scheme, but the tracking is obviously part of the point.

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Wow good job Spain.

I guess this works because email doesn't exist.

I guess this works because file sharing applications and websites don't exist.

I guess this works because VPN's free and paid don't exist.

I guess this works because Tor, i2p, Freenet, and Yggdrasil don't exist.

I guess this works because torrenting doesn't exist.

I guess this works because black markets don't exist.

I guess this works because chat applications don't exist.

To be a fly on the wall of these government meetings where they talk about this shit would surely be the funniest fucking thing in the world.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I want to be at the meeting a year from now where they realize only two people have ever signed up 'Yay we fixed porn!'

Buy who am I kidding they brought VPN shares before this was introduced

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

People live in Spain?

Also I'm just imagining the look on on the store clerks face when that one person comes in to buy porn credits for the 5th time that day.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I see Spain wants ALL of my money. Sucks for them I don't live there and even if I did, I'm better at Internet than their legislators.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Instead of educating kids, it's much easier to... not, and invade their privacy instead.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

...invade everyone's privacy instead.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Porn passport = Wanking license

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Oi mate! Wankin loicense! Give it here. Noi!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Also known as "pajaporte" in Spanish (paja = wank)

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[–] [email protected] 183 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Politicians keep trying to helicopter parent the entire populations of countries.

Making sure your kids don't go places online before they should, and have conversations with them about it once they reach an age where it happening is inevitable, is something every, single, parent, should do.

Not the fucking state.

And this has to be one the weirdest implementations of porn surveillance I've ever seen.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Exactly! Government granted 'porn credits' sounds absolutly insane as a serious idea...

Porn "Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits" is one wild sentence.

A porn "enthusiast", requesting the government for porn credits, to watch porn? What?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

In my experience most parents are to lazy to keep up with setting appropriate restrictions for kids and like some parents, they expect someone else to raise and take care of their children.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's their problem. I'll handle my kids, fuck the government and fuck those useless parents as well. They should not have had kids.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 5 months ago

Folks, this is not about the porn.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

So what? I've had the exact same experience.

It's not a reason for the state to overstep into ALL our lives. In fact, the state stepping in is giving such parents yet more excuses to put even less effort into shaping the adults that their children will become.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How long before it gets "breached"

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This ensures traceability through the public key as content providers will consistently receive the same public key when the credential is presented

What a ridiculous system. For some reason I expected that their efforts to offer an illusion of privacy would be better than the obfuscatory bullshit they've leaned on here in order to enable "traceability."

I hope it goes down so badly in Spain that the rest of Europe is once and for all convinced that such schemes to restrict and monitor the web browsing habits of every citizen are ineffective for their stated purpose, needlessly invasive of privacy and freedom, destructive of democracy, and can serve only as a prelude to totalitarianism.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 5 months ago

This government intrusion is brought to you by Surfshark.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

This is a privacy issue but it's a much much much less of a privacy issue than what the EU wants to do with that mandatory internet ID thing. This Spanish concept shows that you don't need complete mass surveillance like other governments try to convince everyone in.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Spain is officially hoping that their system will serve as a model for the rest of Europe, and then the rest of the world, so that everyone can work together to enforce the rules. Otherwise their citizens might just evade it by, for example, going to web sites that are not in Spain.

That is why they give it such a grand name as "digital wallet." It's meant to become the basis for that European digital id you refer to, and used for much more than is happening with this initial trial balloon.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

so that everyone can work together to enforce the rules.

Sus

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Officially (and drily) called the Digital Wallet Beta (Cartera Digital Beta), the app Madrid unveiled on Monday would allow internet platforms to check whether a prospective smut-watcher is over 18.

Once verified, they'll receive 30 generated “porn credits” with a one-month validity granting them access to adult content.

While the tool has been criticized for its complexity, the government says the credit-based model is more privacy-friendly, ensuring that users' online activities are not easily traceable.

It will be voluntary, as online platforms can rely on other age-verification methods to screen out inappropriate viewers.

It heralds an EU law going into force in October 2027, which will require websites to stop minors from accessing porn.Eventually, Madrid's porn passport is likely to be replaced by the EU’s very own digital identity system (eIDAS2) — a so-called wallet app allowing people to access a smorgasbord of public and private services across the whole bloc.

“We are acting in advance and we are asking platforms to do so too, as what is at stake requires it,” José Luis Escrivá, Spain’s digital secretary, told Spanish newspaper El País.


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