Doesn't that mean Biden could just have Trump assassinated?
this post was submitted on 04 Jul 2024
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He shouldn't kill him, that's too devisive. Maybe strap him to the top of a rocket and send him to low earth orbit? And leave him there?
Without legal consequence, yes.
That action could not be legally scrutinized or judged and Biden, as president, would be immune from prosecution.
Not even Putin is above the law according to any interpretation of the Russian constitution.
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Will there be a fight to reign in those powers legally in any way? Because it feels awfully convenient and lucrative for someone to win the presidency at all costs now.
There can be a fight, but it can be stopped at any point by the executive branch for any reason without restriction or consequence.
Plus, now there is a legal precedent for presidential immunity, so even if the best situation occurs and executive balance is restored, the next team of bandits can point to 2024 and say well look, the highest court in the land said their ruling supersedes the Constitution.
Fixing this will require some sort of comprehensive rewrite of either the Constitution to make its powers inviolate or better yet, to make the limitations on the branches inviolate.
Maybe increase the amendments by tenfold to elucidate exactly what is allowed and not allowed, because right now "reasonable judgment" is often invoked as a limitation on important legal rulings, but if you have a conservative majority refusing to honestly engage with "reasonable judgment" and willing to pwrjure themselvesto irritate harmful and unreasonable judgment, as the conservatives on the court are and have been willing to do for decades, then they can do things like violate or invalidate the Constitution.
The problem with all of these solutions is that the limitations on executive power are already very clear, and the supreme Court is objectively violating them.
I don't see a clear resolution at this point, although I'm so shocked by the end of the US government that I'm still working through the consequences and considering hopeful solutions.
Right now, the most hopeful solution I see is like when dumps asked pence to violate the Constitution and declare him president, pence refused.
So if another atrocity is now ordered, right now the only hope is that the person being ordered to do it will risk being executed for treason and not follow that order.
Relying on many someones like pence to all do the right thing is not exactly comforting.
Whether it goes anywhere is a crapshoot.
We can’t get Congress to agree to anything right now, the ruling elite and external hostile governments have crippled them. The Republican members see this as a win for Trump and that Biden has limited time and won’t do anything antagonistic. Remember, the SCOTUS is the only entity that can determine whether or not a president acted officially, as per this ruling. The SCOTUS, that’s heavily right leaning, would crucify a Democratic president and justify a Republican. The other route would be impeachment, but we saw how that went and it has the same problems as a constitutional amendment, the gridlock in Congress.
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To this point, the military has remained an independent institution that has followed rule of law--the Iraq War, however awful, was legally authorized (note: I am not saying that soldiers haven't done illegal things, but the military writ large has been beyond the reach of the president to be wielded like a weapon to do explicitly illegal things).
Trump mused bombing antiquities in his presidency, and the military swiftly responded that they are bound not to follow illegal orders.
My fear now is that if military leadership falls into the wrong hands, immunity can be used to argue that the conduct is no longer considered illegal, or the line becomes so blurred that it ceases to functionally exist.
If that happened under a president like Trump, God help us, every horrible nightmare outcome could be on the table.
Yes, this is probably the real motive. “Arrest and execute my political opponents” cannot be ignored by the military without a coup or being in dereliction of duty. I think another nefarious change here is not that the actual power has changed but that the Supreme Court has given face value validity to illegal acts. The President has always has unmitigated pardon power for federal crimes. They could order the military to commit illegal acts and pardon them preemptively so that they were not punished. A reason why that hasn’t happened is that the optics of that are horrifying - the President and military must admit to a crime being committed to pardon that crime. With this ruling there is no admission, no face value legal wrongdoing, and plenty of plausible deniability.
SCOTUS knew precisely what they were doing. This is a significant expansion of presidential power, yes. But they know that the real issue is political. What they want is the President to be able to argue that illegal things are legal because the President did it, instead of arguing that illegal things are not punishable because the President pardoned the criminals.
The President can literally shoot someone in cold blood, in public, and as long as they can deem it an official act it is de jure legal.
You might be asking why the right isn’t worried that Biden will abuse this - the answer is because they know he doesn’t have the balls. The left still thinks we’re in 1968 fighting for rights with mostly peaceful protests. We’re in 1938 and we’ve already lost.
The left still thinks we’re in 1968 fighting for rights with mostly peaceful protests. We’re in 1938 and we’ve already lost.
"Evil always wins, because good is dumb." - Some moron in a helmet
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Wasn't trump firing a bunch of higher up and placing toadies trying to get the government to back him?
He was but didn't quite get there last time. He's learned from his shortfalls and will do a much more thorough job if he's elected again, you can count on it.
Great point.
We've passed the point that everything "could be on the table", everything is on the table as of that ruling.
Biden is right now absolutely unfettered by the Constitution, amendments, federal and state laws, according to the supreme Court.
Biden immediately made it clear that no American was above the law, but right now he is above the law and choosing not to take advantage of the now unrestricted power of his office.
Not likely to be a tradition in future presidents.
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