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[–] [email protected] 81 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

This is why I'm so excited for Batman Azteca. Aztec warrior Batman killing colonisers like the insane conquistadore Two-Face

[–] [email protected] 58 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're aware he is a CEO of a company?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I thought Lucius Fox was the CEO. Bruce Wayne is chair of the board.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why do you people make up such obviously false head cannon. This is degenerate shit lol.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Like Lex Luthor, who hes fought on several occasions? Or more like the Court of Owls, one of his recurring set of villains?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If Batman was real today, he'd be Donald Trump.

That's what these (alleged) "super heroes" really are... idealized, ubermensch-esque metaphors for the actual power wielded by the rich and privileged.

In fact, I'd say that Batman is the ultimate Objectivist wet dream - he perfectly personifies the fascist (as Batman) and the capitalist (as Bruce Wayne) in one person. Even Ayn Rand's creepazoid ancap sugar-daddy "heroes" didn't manage that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I would like you to explain how Captain America and Superman are reactionary.

Captain America is an artificial warrior created by a Jewish scientist to fight the Nazis, and Superman is a baby sent away in a basket to be raised by not-dead parents who chose to use his privilege to help people.

Zack Snyder is an Objectivist and that's why his Superman movies stink. He doesn't understand the core themes of superheroes, he only understands the spectacle and surface theatrics.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Inb4 the flood of people who get all their batman knowledge from the Nolan trilogy and the stupid one liners they added to Injustice to try and whataboutism him against superman literally murdering people and installing a fascist autocracy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

So, seppuku then?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Like Bruce never engaged in union busting. He's literally one of the billionaire class.

He regularly aligns himself with other upper class people to take over the city.

Hell, he has his own gang.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

CEOs of companies existed in 1939, and did before. 1939 would have been the time of the great depression, World War 2, fascism, and Batman didn't go after them, he went after the people who needed work and took the last chance they had.

Bruce Wayne is just a form of Bill Gates. Donates millions to charity, good causes, hospitals, fighting diseases, but he still has lots of more money than when he did before all this "charity". The difference is that Gates doesn't put on a mask and go punch the poor of Seattle.

If Batman was real, he'd be a dickhead, worse than Musk or Bezos.

EDIT: Why mine and no one elses? This dude is annoying.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Yeah because when I think of the working class I think lunatics dressed like clowns arming chemical weapon dispersing explosives on the orders of a guy who caught a chemical burn induced skin condition and decided everyone was gonna die suffocating over it.

Batman is a detective, a detective! 99% of what he does has nothing to do with fighting, you just don't hate read the detective work because Batman going out of his way to find the murderer of some nobody with nobody to care enough to ask it be done doesn't feed this bizarre obsession some folks have with making Batman the worst thing ever because he has money as a plot convenience to explain where all his insane tech comes from.

Also, he does constantly do work addressing wealth inequality by backing community efforts to relieve the effects of poverty and by championing community leaders standing up to corruption. Why doesn't it work? Because there's a literal criminal conspiracy of the wealthiest of Gotham dating back centuries that most recent versions of Batman has been at war with since near the outset of his investigative career. Again, read any of the comic books published in the last like 20 years and this would all be entry level stuff.

Also, Gotham's gangs are not normal gangs, like I exampled above, but also consider the sheer level of advanced education or ability to outsmart most folks who have one Gotham's criminal leaders have. Even Joker is heavily implied to have retained advanced chemical engineering training from before he went psycho.

If the idea that even one rich person has genuinely good intentions and does genuine work addressing the causes of criminal activity at every level is that hard for people to grasp, maybe just put the comics down and find another topic because man are you all gonna struggle with basically everything else you're gonna find in the genre.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Who you want is Rorschach as others have pointed out Batman is part of the problem. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_(character)

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

FUCK NO!

Rorschach is a fascist, he only works in absolutes and while the Batman tries not to kill, Rorschach has no such regard for human life. He detests the junky as much as the murderer, for him there is only pureness and evil, every little bit of amoral behavior will be punished and at the same time he considers his own vigilantism as above the law.

He's a misogynist who thinks that the Comedian raping Silk Spectre was just a "moral lapse". He holds even for his time outdated socially conservative views and strongly opposes what we would call (gender and sexual) minority rights.

Rorschach is unbending and uncompromising, he is beholden only to his conservative rigid views of black and white morality with no room for shades of grey. That might not sound so bad at first, but if you think about it, that is definitely not someone who you want as a judge of people.

On top of that he's a far-right believer, he's not a government man in the same way the alt-right are not. His thinking is deeply conspiratorial and paranoid with a huge dollop of delusion. He's better described as an Ayn Rand paleolibertarian.

Thinking about it he definitely would fit right in with today's alt-right with the only difference that (if - and only if - he would not buy into their conspiracy theories - and he's very much likely to do so) he would detest Trump for his lying.

But Rorschach is definitely the kinda guy who'd shoot up a pizza place looking for tortured kids in the basement.

I love him as a character, he's one of the best written vigilante "heros" out there but what's so fascinating - to me at least - is that his principled moral conviction is contrasted by how immensely unlikeable this man is and how his moral uprightness relies on the moral compass of a deranged 11 year old with a gun.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Aye. Anyone who idolizes Rorschach is the same person who idolizes Tyler Durden — they've missed the entire point of the character in the story.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

"They're the same picture."

[–] [email protected] 194 points 4 months ago (3 children)

No. Unequivocally no. This might make sense on its face but it misunderstands Batman at a fundamental level- Batman is a hero who cannot make sense. He is severely mentally ill and craves change physically and instantly wrought by his own two hands.

If a CEO were doing something outlandishly and visibly evil then they might find themselves on Batman’s radar, but exacerbating wealth inequality is just not something Batman usually cares about. Would it make sense for Batman to do something about it? Yes. Absolutely. Would the crazy 100 kg gymnast dressed like a giant bat, who has made a nightly ritual of shattering the spines of impoverished criminal dockworkers do that? No.

Now daredevil, daredevil might find himself beating the ass off a shady Manhattan CEO. But daredevil is sane, reasonable, and goal oriented and Batman is just not.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago

but exacerbating wealth inequality is just not something Batman usually cares about

In fact, being a mega-rich himself, he's probably best buddies with those CEOs so long as they don't do something so outlandishly evil that he has to go after them for publicity reasons.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, doesn’t the dude consider Batman his true identity and Bruce Wayne the costume?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Depends on the continuity and who's writing it, but often yes. He was notably portrayed this way in the Justice League cartoon.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This fact was revealed in Batman Beyond, in which Batman's nemesis is an evil CEO called Blight.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In most modern versions, yes. He’s just survivor’s guilt held together by a ceaseless run of violent distractions and related obsessions. Not the one to call on your union busting boss.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

No he won’t. Batman wasn’t the good guy

[–] [email protected] 95 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yes the billionaire that spent a shit ton on money on gadgets to beat up poor people would definitely be a champion of the people

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

That's what happens if you take all your knowledge from memes. Good luck.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

He also beats up rich people, like the Penguin. The Joker and Riddler and all those guys get their crazy gadgets and hordes of minions somehow. They must be rich af

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Batman is a CEO, right?

He just goes after the ones he can beat without much backlash from the public/system.

Imagine if he takes down a CEO. He'd not be able to play batman. Gordon and batman sympathisers would be affected, so Batman's human connection in the police would be lost. He can hack stuff, but might not always be enough.

He can do other stuff, but he can only do it gradually and much more tactfully.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He did take down Lau in the dark knight tho.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Lau laundered money for the mob and also was Chinese.

I don't think the public/mainstream would have issues there, where he goes after the non-native guy who laundered money for the mob.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

Watch The Boys

[–] [email protected] 107 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Batman WAS the CEO of companies

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And there's no solidarity like class solidarity. Remember Ellen Degeneres hanging out with Bush? Bruce Wayne would've been in that skybox too.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

self punch then?

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