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The project home page.

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Looks just like VS Code and I think it's still built on electron so take that as you will.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I'll wait and see if they manage to get embedded system debugging to work properly. What I've seen in the past has been a pain in the you-know-what in that regard, showing clearly that their main focus was PCs.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

Eclipse

Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time.

Will probably need to check this out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

I'm a die hard Microsoft hater. I haven't had windows installed on a pc in years. With that being said I use visual studio code because it's kind of the only text editor that does code completion in the capacity that it does. I can take a class name, type a "." after it and a scroll view opens up shows every accessible member of that class along with comments and information about all the variables. The amount of time this saves is so huge I don't even know how you would quantify it. Nothing else has code completion that even comes close to being that good.

Do non visual studio code users just have to memorize every single function, parameter and return type in their code base? Yeah you can always read the documentation, sure you can always dig through the source code to figure it out every time you forget what data type a parameter is but that takes valuable time.

If they ever put visual studio code behind a paywall or stop making it for Linux, I'm going to be forced to either switch to windows (which I never will under any circumstances) or make a custom made ripoff clone of that entire intellisense code completion system and hack it into whichever open source text editor I deem is the next best thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Nothing else has code completion that even comes close to being that good.

Well, except Visual Studio (for C++), Qt Creator, and every Java IDE in existence.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Any editor that support LSP has the same (or better) auto complete. All IDEs also have the same (or better) auto complete, don't even need LSP.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Well I'm glad I made that comment because now I know there's ways to do this that aren't Microsoft related. Looks like I have some text editor experimentation to do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I only use windows because I have to open PDFs that only open in Adobe Reader from my government.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Code completion isn't that special. Do you have experience with other IDE's?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Huh? Every IDE has had this feature for decades. Eclipse, all of JetBrains products, even NetBeans. This is like the most basic feature provided by IDEs.

Also with the development of first party language servers it’s relatively easy for new IDEs to integrate.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Vim does code completion just fine if you set up your language server correctly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I'll give it a try

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I wonder where JetBrains Fleet is at, too.

I am happy there is more competition against VS Code. But I already have my forever-editor (Neovim).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I believe fleet is still in preview. I'm not a power user so I can't tell you how it compares to VS Code.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Fleet is pretty good, it's almost like a combination of the existing jetbrains products (but some features are missing). However, it's not open source so I probably won't be using it.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

This could actually be a pretty big deal

  1. The Eclipse foundation has been making alternatives to VS Code's "killer apps" (Docker, Python, Go, C++, SSH, Live share, etc). AKA the closed source ones exclusive to VS Code offical that make all forks of VS Code a huge downgrade. The Eclipse foundation is also running the extension store that powers VS Codium.
  2. "why not just use VS Codium?" (With the killer extensions made by Eclipse)
    • VS Codium is great, but because of manpower limits, they always have to be "downstream" of VS Code. They can't rewrite any of the core systems.
    • As someone who contributes to VS Code, and loves VS Codium, many issues I have with VS Code have been open on github for +7 years, with hundreds of comments and thumbs-ups. We can't even sort the file explorer view by last-edited and folders-first (but we can do folders-first alphabetical). Thats been open since 2017.
    • Theia looks like it could finally be the hard fork I've been waiting for. A hackable editor, trying to be open source, where all my extensions work, and the community can actually make a PR, get it merged, and extensions are not excessively sandboxed.
    • Will it be that? Only time will tell, but the Eclipse foundation has a pretty good record. They're definitely prepared for long term support.
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

As a Codium user trying to choose more open tools, I really appreciate your write up, here.

Thank you.

I'll check it out.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I feel like VS Code is in a very weird place right now.

To just be productive, you need a ton of plugins and often enough these don't really solve all the problems you might have. For example, there's no "java dev" package, instead you have to install a meta-package plus a bunch of other random crap, half of which don't really work out of the box. Or, if you want to use the advanced features, you have to live with weird constraints and bugs. The UI isn't really designed to incorporate more advanced plugins and the plugins themselves often don't work as expected. For example, for some reason, if you connect to a remote host, the java LSP needs the java home dir to be in the same path on both machines, which is just weird.

For a text editor it's way too bloated, but for an IDE it's way to barebones. The days of the nimble and fast advanced editor are gone,

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I use lazyvim and this is my experience in neovim as well. I don't think it's a weird place, it just puts the onus on the end-user to tailor their experience.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's a black python extension (only downloaded it following a django tutorial) and it did nothing it was supposed to. So I'm not sure what it's intentions were.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Tried the ruff extension?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Great sum up, yes, the major issue with VS Code is the licensing issues that Microsoft caused there.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Coming soon, everything is corrupt, I have to delete the .metadata dir regularly, but it's faster.

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