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What Manifest V3 means for Brave Shields and the use of extensions in the Brave browser (brave.com)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Except for being on a Chromium base, I appreciate that Brave isn't sneakily turning into Chrome 2.0 like a well-known Fox is.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

🔥🦊

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It might be worth setting up a seperate Chromium extension store independent from Google

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Or even better, write userscripts that can be used anywhere instead of inside some non portable extensions framework

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm not a crypto hater but... I used Brave for like a year or two. My mind almost melted from constantly closing ads for crypto business/scams. I made about $30 overall. Not worth it. Switched back to Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Its my main driver. I just don't use their ads / crypto features. You can opt out ya know

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

You know you can choose the number of ads served per hour? You can even just turn it off...

I exchanged some BAT to bitcoin. Since then it 4x'd... Not too bad :)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not using Brave and I don't like it. Personnaly if you're on desktop or laptop just use Firefox (Waterfox for soft-privacy browser, Librewolf and Mullvad for better one). Brave is firstly based on chromium, have a relation with crypto. Not my browser of choice and will never recommend it to anyone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not using brave and I don't like it.

You don't like the fact that your not using brave?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

😂 no no the browser 😂

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't use Brave, but I did read that post because I am interested in how they are handling this. It's worth reading for that.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Fuck brave, built on chromium

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

CEO is a homophobic shithead. Even if "politics" have nothing to do with the quality of software (I dont think donating to legislatures to block gay marriage is a case of "having a different political opinion"), people who care that much about how other people live their lives should NOT be trusted for a privacy respecting browser. The browser is decent, but it is stained by his presense, contributes to the chromium monoculture, and is filled with crypto bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Fuck all CEOs. Stop giving them platforms & celebrity where they get to be the symbol of products/services—which discounts all the labor done into something by the real folks building & making decisions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I do agree with this. I dont want to discount Brave (just) because of their CEO. Fuck CEOs. Brave has done some iffy things in the past, but their Chromium patches are general decent for privacy.

Ramblings about Firefox

Firefox resistFingerprinting does more to preserve user privacy (through normalizing of many metrics) and allow for the possibility of a crowd of fingerprint-identical users, the only legitimate way to protect against advanced deanonimizing scripts. Maybe if Mozilla enshittification of Firefox makes a worse, unfixable, and inferior product to Chromium, these patches could lay groundwork for more thorough protections. The reason we have strong protections in Firefox is because of upstreamed code from the Tor Uplift Project, with their code designed for a stricter threat model (in my opinion) than what Brave intends (aka out of scope).

[+] [email protected] -6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

The first point makes no sense and that's why privacy is so important - not to lose trust in this stupid and toxic society because of different opinions.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Having principles related to Human Rights is only toxic to people who are already problematic

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I find it rather repulsive, that people would label “being against gay marriage” as “only holding an opinion”. It makes it seem so harmless. It is depriving people of the same rights that heterosexuals have. And that is why it might matter to people. It’s not just “any” opinion, like a view on how the economy should be regulated, where one could definitely argue about. But a view, which would deprive people of the same rights that others have, is not a valid opinion to have. There is no way that it can be respected. It’s the paradox of tolerance

In a comment further down you write the following: (Edit: the comment has since been removed by a mod)

You have the right to have a liberal opinion so why not let people have their own? It's like discrimination of black people at this point.

Which is quite ironic. You try to defend holding an opinion, which would discriminate against a certain group by not giving them the same rights. You argue that it’s discrimination to not respect their discrimination. In essence you ask the tolerant to respect the views of intolerant.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't really understand what you mean, and I am sorry if I misunderstand you.

Privacy is important because we have a right to not have everything broadcast, tracked, and sold. Privacy is both good for our personal health and safety, especially because of how useful collected info is for even amateur threat actors. Society is toxic, but calling out people who specifically want to legally control how others (harmlessly) live their lives is not itself toxic.

His opinion is that gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry. I think this is rather invasive. My point is that someone who is willing to donate thousands to homophobic lobbyists doesn't seem to care about gay people's rights to Privacy or freedom, and therefore I wouldn't want to use a browser that he leads. It takes a real POS to spend money towards homophobic legislation.

Regardless of that though, Brave is still worse at protecting fingerprintable metrics than hardened Firefox. Brave browser is decent, maybe the best chromium based privacy browser, but not close to Firefox. There really isn't such things as blending in with a crowd of other Brave users, like what is possible with Tor and Mullvad browsers.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I do not understand the aggression you are putting forth. I am not sharing political opinions, neither am I a liberal. It may be hard to understand, but I do not trust people who discriminate against social minorities (and pay thousands to back it up) to simultaneously protect personal privacy. Why would I trust someone who thinks me and my friends shouldn't exist? I am not being toxic about it, I am just stating what I observe as a conflict of interest. I also was not being aggressive towards you, so I don't understand your vitriolic response.

[+] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You obviously do not understand what I am saying. I dont think I can explain it to you, especially when you are so sarcastic and opposed to honest conversation.

The plain and simple is I cannot agree with bigots nor trust someone to pays thousands to lobbyist to back up their bigotry. I dont think this is a political issue; I have said nothing of my politics. I could never trust a human who spends thousands to attempt to erase a third of the population. Saying that I dont trust a homophobe is not "sharing my political opinions". The lives of gay people may be affected by politics (just as we all are), but that doesn't mean homophobia (or being against homophobia) is a political opinion.

You did nothing by quoting my original comment. It only illustrates your categorical misunderstanding of my comments.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Saying that I dont trust a homophobe is not “sharing my political opinions”

That's true.

However, you did not just say that. You mentioned how he supports some homophobic politics (ie. regulation against gay marriage), which you (and I'm sure a lot of people, me included) disagree with. That's politics.

You also shared your opinion about why you think privacy is important for our society. That's also politics.

I'm not saying that what you said is wrong... I'm saying that what you said is political. Sharing political opinions is ok. It's not like talking about politics is somehow a bad thing. At least not in this context. A lot of what surrounds the choice of a web browser like this is political.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Saying that I dont trust a homophobe is not "sharing my political opinions". The lives of gay people may be affected by politics (just as we all are), but that doesn't mean homophobia (or being against homophobia) is a political opinion.

I couldn’t agree more with you👍🏼