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Biden’s Record Is Full of Climate Wins — So Why Don’t Voters Know It? Environmental groups are making a concerted effort to educate voters about President Joe Biden’s climate policies before election (www.notus.org)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden's 2030 projections are not aggressive enough and are at-odds with trade relations with the largest green energy manufacturer on the planet and with the multiple large-scale military conflicts we are actively fanning. I'm assuming their 2030 projections do not account for the millions of pounds of explosives being set off in the ME and in Ukraine.

It's like a pack-a-day smoker whining about their doctor not praising them for loosing weight from dieting, even though their diet is one of those cayenne pepper and lemon juice cleanses. Like, good job with loosing 50 pounds, but if you don't stop smoking like a chimney you're still gonna die of a heart attack.

I get that we want to feel good about our political outlook but holy fuck now is not the time to be celebrating.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

It is complicated, because the largest green energy manufacturer on the planet also has the largest CO2 emissions on the planet by far, three times that of the US - one could bring up the fact that they also have a lot of people, but how much of China's emissions are driven by export vs domestic consumption?

Also, the shenanigans Russia pulled with Germany has the collective West wary of becoming dependent on a hostile authoritarian country for any staple import.

I'm not saying Biden's perfect, far from it, but a strategy of "let's go chummy with this big authoritarian country, they can't attack us if our economies become codependent" has been tried here in the EU, and the results so far are hundreds of thousands dead and a nearly crashed economy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

They brag about massive oil production, and we hear them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The Biden admin's main selling point on climate is bragging about how much funding they've gotten from Congress. That's a legislative achievement, but the execution part -- which is the point of their branch of government -- has been incredibly rocky. You got $7.5B in funding for EV charging yielding 8 EV chargers nationwide. And Biden has slapped big tariffs on Chinese solar panels and EVs, so that renewables will get more expensive and American carmakers who are skeptical about the EV transition will get to drag their feet even more.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

My next car purchase will at the very least be a PHEV, if not a full EV. But my current gas car is fine, so I have no immediate need to purchase one. I don't consider that as dragging my feet. I'll buy it when I need it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Similarly, I’m electrifying my home (especially if rebates and incentives continue), but I’m not going to replace functional major appliances. I’ll buy it when I need it and don’t consider that dragging my feet.

On the one hand it will take years, because I can’t afford otherwise, but on the other hand everything is coming up on replacement time, so not that many years.

So far, the EV is working great, as is induction stove

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The sooner you buy an electric car, the sooner it'll pay for itself in petrol savings

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I've personally driven my personal car a grand total of 5200 miles in the last 3 years. Seriously doubt the savings I'd be getting with an EV would make sense at this moment in time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Hell just a hybrid saves me a ton. Charging stations are uncommon here and I don't own any property to install a charger so I just got a hybrid and I only spend like $20 a month on gas. Of course my commute is only like 20 mins each way and I dont go out much because everything is so fucking expensive, but still it just sips gas lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

From the individual consumer's point of view, it totally makes sense to keep guzzling gasoline. US gas prices are far cheaper than elsewhere in the developed world, even after inflation. US carmakers have priced EVs at premium price points, and the charging infrastructure is mediocre. Add to this Biden's lock-out of EV imports and efforts to keep gas prices down ahead of the elections.

Anyway, it's a difficult set of problems, but I would not characterize Biden administration's climate record as being "full of wins". They're like a startup that brags about receiving lots of VC funding (big wins!), but flailing about when it comes to delivering an actual product.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Okay so in a trump administration, what would the environmental record be? Because that was the option for right now as well as the option for the next four years. Would it be full of “big wins”?

Well, while in office he agreed to lay waste to huge areas of Alaskan wilderness for oil, damaged public land and national parks, encouraged using more asbestos, and rolled back over 100 environmental protections.

Rolled back. Backwards. So I think what you’re saying is Biden environment good, not great, but if you don’t think these things are Big Wins compared to going backwards, i just disagree. They are Big and we’ll get more if we can vote the idiot grifters out. They’re taking environmental issues seriously whereas republiQans will immediately damage it much further than they already have. So it’s Big AF to me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm with you. A car is an expensive purchase, so it's difficult to justify rushing into a new one. But I'll definitely be going either PHEV or EV on my next vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

By my calculations, my car will have paid for itself in savings from not buying gas alone, after about 10 years, and I've had it for 6. And it's a PHEV with a range of only 40 miles on battery. I might have already broke even on a Leaf.

That's comparing to a gas car with 35mpg efficiency. My old car that I drove into the ground got about 17mpg so by that metric it's already paid for itself.

And I'm not taking about the difference in price between a PHEV and a pure gasoline car, I'm taking about the total price of the car. I will have saved that much money by using electric instead of gas.

If you drive a lot, especially if you drive for work, electric is a no brainer. Assuming you have somewhere to charge it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you have your own home with off-street parking, installing a level 2 charger is similar cost to a new stove circuit. Charging at home is so much easier and nicer than going to gas stations all the time

While I do agree lack of charging infrastructure is a big issue we need to address asap, the reality is I rarely need it. Charging at home just works, cheaply, reliably, and I don’t need to go anywhere. While road trips need trip charging, it’s been everywhere I looked so far, and a small percentage of my time

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

You don't even necessarily need a level 2 charger. I rent and I charge overnight from a regular old 120v outlet (level one charging).

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because the Democratic tent is filled with lazy cynics who actively sabotage outreach efforts, because mindlessly parroting propaganda is way easier than actual civic engagement.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Oh right. Ok then.

You’re either really new to online interaction, or possibly some version of a libertarian-don’t-call-me-a-tankie,-tankie, or a troll who just likes to fight. Either way, good bye and good luck.

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