This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
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Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
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https://feddit.org/post/13994826/7165181
Everything I downvoted was because I genuinely do not think it's good. Like meat is not going to cure cancer.
I actually really like eating meat I just try to life a life that gives others room to enjoy this earth too without mutually destroying it.
Please tell me how I am the asshole :)
Boo this man!
At this point you just wanted to literally be comment nr 100😉
Unless the mod is straight up lying about you down voting everything in the thread: YTI.
YDI, going into a community to downvote everything is toxic behavior and mods have every right to ban you for it. And they probably should, it's obviously not a good fit for you.
Brah, it's bad form to just go into a community and start downvoting every single article you see. YDI.
I'm seeing more and more Lemmys doing that to try to control their narrative. Not cool.
YDI
You went to a community you disagree with and downvoted almost everything that was there. Sounds like probable trolling to me.
They down voted misinformation. Isn't that the 'correct' way to use the down vote button?
Edit: The fact that someone down voted this comment is hysterical.
There is no point to downvote very old poss. If you to a profile and downvote dozens of posts it's spam and most admin will not allowed
If it is all misinformation and I want to reduce its visibility, why does volume of down votes matter?
I mean the whole idea of 'down voting too much' is that the down votes, which are basically instant after reading a post or comment, are done in a short period of time. If someone takes a few minutes to browse a community to see if maybe a couple of the terrible posts are outliers and vote as they go, is that really any different than down voting them when they are noticed coming through a feed organically?
Note that nobody cares about the frequency of up votes.
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Please tell me how I am the asshole :)
You are not the asshole. As I said in the above post, if you're downvoting everything it's the wrong community for you.
The community is [email protected] if anyone is interested in participating
I should be explicit - I welcome opposing views, constructive debate, polite back and forth of data and ideas. That is what i live for, that is the power of lemmy.
What I don't tolerate is hostility and making the community unfriendly to new posters. The intention is to create safe space for people to talk about carnivore, so attacking users either via antagonistic messages or downvoting their content isn't going to work for me.
Refers to the Sidebar: "This is a community in the spirit of “Am I The Asshole” where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not."
Edit: And I did not, I think if you search for audience on a public site it should be the deal that the public is invited to discuss and form opinions by voting. I think there might be some interesting things about micronutrients and wether it is feasible to get them in any way other than meat but the things I downvoted I do not agree with. Please have your bubble but as I said I actually love meat, so I am not by any means radical about that. I'm here to discuss wether the feddit (Lemmy) community deems an opinion on a topic differing from the main line of a community expressed through voting an offence or a valid participation in the topic of a community...
You downvoted 19 out of 22 posts, including stuff like how to cook a steak. 86% downvote rate on posts - probably only that low because i posted after your banning, so yeah, your a raging asshole - i was just trying to be polite.
YDI.
If you go around down voting everything, that's not acting in good faith. Down voting the post, yeah, that's one thing and it's perfectly fine to down vote posts that are (to your best knowledge) misinformation.
The problem starts when you go into comment sections and down vote everything. See, if you're doing that, it's ignoring whether or not the comments are on for the post. Disagreement isn't a valid reason to vote bomb an entire comment section. That's what an asshole does.
Now, I have done plenty of down voting in that community. But no blanket knee jerk vote sprees. That's where you cross from reasonable opposition into just trying to fuck with people.
It doesn't even matter what the topic is for this community. It isn't about validating or invalidating your opinion of subject, it's about whether or not the mod action was justified based on your actions. And they absolutely were.
That was the only comment I voted on. Because I did not see the person being helpful based on their posts. I did not vote spree the other comment sections. I did vote on the posts... I would not call that downvoting of posts in the community kneejerk. The statement the mod gave is not true I checked to make absolutely sure.
Thank you for elaborating though.
Everything I downvoted was because I genuinely do not think it's good.
That's what you said in your post. Everything implies that you voted on more than one thing.
I'm not sure why you would down vote multiple posts instead of blocking a community, but it does change things a little as long as it wasn't blanket voting where you just went through and hit the down button arbitrarily on a long line of posts. If that's what you were doing, it doesn't change the YDI part, because that's inevitably going to get you banned from any community at some point. The question would become one of threshold; how many did you arbitrarily down vote rather than the fact of doing it at all.
If you just down voted them as you came across them scrolling the all feed, you'd only have hit maybe five or six based on the slow posting of that community. So, if it's more than that, you had to have gone to the community directly specifically to down vote, and that's pretty shitty behavior, ban worthy at that.
If it was less than that, then jet absolutely power tripped. You can't determine the intent of the user from less than a handful of votes, particularly if they're recent posts.
But, hey, that's what this community is about, figuring out where the boundaries of what lemmy as a whole consider acceptable mores of moderation and user behavior.
No I did go to the community to check it out, that part tracks, yes I downvoted a few posts. The cooking stuff I downvoted I also do not agree with (the beef chart excludes the head from the edible parts, the ribeye cooling one is in my opinion way over the top, a simple cast iron skillet does the job. The blended steak, meat bagels and meat cinnamon rolls I don't think are a good idea. The brisquet price comparison I also do not agree with as I think that price does not make that big of a difference in comparison to the way to cook it, but on that one I definitely get how I should have been more open minded).
I think the interesting part is wether I should be allowed to be in opposition on most of a community or not. I think that we are a community on Lemmy as a whole and that it is ok to discuss things. I can still see why brigading is problematic. Then it comes down to the definition of good faith which is arguable and there it is interesting wether there can be good faith in participating in a community whilst being opposed to the main lines. I am not even in fundamental opposition about eating (and enjoying!) meat so I would have guessed that I acted in good faith. I guess I could see why jet did get offended and I guess I take a more lenient approach on the two Comms I mod. That being said there is probably significantly less contestation around the communities I mod.
That being said there is probably significantly less contestation around the communities I mod.
That's fair, I'm happy to unban you if I have your word that you will be less hostile going forward. Yes - I consider downvoting to be hostility
The Carnivore community gets lots of negative attention, right now we are transitioning to a new instance so all the previous blocks people had don't work and its a sensitive time.
No, if downvotes with things I don't agree with are considered hostile I don't think it's a good idea. I don't think I want to interact with this carnivore sub on an ongoing basis but I was interested in wether general participation on Lemmy regardless of the community is welcomed or if bubble building is the new meta.
Pretty sure any community would consider it hostile if you only downvote and never upvote in that comm
Fair enough, i'm glad you have the resolution you wanted from this YPTB post.
We are focused on health and lifestyle while trying to eat zero carb bioavailable foods.
LOL what a joke, my ancestors lived on a diet of almost all bison, but they still needed other foods like nuts and berries and grains. They ate pemmican more then they ate fresh meat. The thing is that once they had to transition to domesticated animals like cows and pigs, the general health went downhill fast. All red meat is not the same.
Eating a lot of meat is not good for you, science has proven this time and time again. The only reason my ancestors were able to live on a full diet of bison is because they ate the whole freakin animal and perserved the meat with berries and nuts (pemmican)
LOL what a joke, my ancestors lived on a diet of almost all bison
I highly doubt this. Meat in prehistoric societies was pretty hard to come by. When you exist on the same plane as the animals, you're subject to all the stuff they plan to do to make sure they're not going to get eaten. It's a hell of a lot easier and safer just to grow some plants or do some fishing or something.
I won't say it never happened that someone's ancestor's society was just killing it and eating bison burgers all the time but the diet where you can eat large animal meat is almost entirely a modern invention caused by our overflow of wealth and productivity.
Eating a lot of meat is not good for you, science has proven this time and time again.
Eating a lot of meat in the modern day will straight-up kill you in the long run (literally), because the meat is full of hormones, pesticides, antibiotics, disease from the conditions they were kept in, and God knows what else. Societies in the ancient world that sorted out how to eat meat consistently (one prime example being domesticating cattle successfully) started exploding across the landscape and overtaking all their neighbors, it's a pretty good formula as long as the meat is healthy for you.
I am pretty sure the carnivore community is just a big troll. Maybe it is some confused people, but it seems on Lemmy more likely to just be people taking the piss out of vegans.
At this time and age you can expect anything to be serious. Like biden being cloned
It's not a troll, it's a earnest eating pattern. It has nothing to do with vegans, the entire world doesn't rotate around vegans. People can do things independently of what vegans do.
The Inuit didn't exist for thousands of years in the arctic circle eating only animals to spite vegans.
The Inuit didn’t exist for thousands of years in the arctic circle eating only animals to spite vegans.
Their population is sparse and they had absolutely no energy to spare to expand or rise up in the world, they were too busy with the incredible energy expenditure that is hunting. They didn't choose to do this as a success option, they just have no other option because nothing will grow in their environment, so it's hunt or starve.
But they survived - With great health according to the reports of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilhjalmur_Stefansson who observed the population pre-westernized.
Any type of person that survives in a harsh environment where death is an ever-present outcome will generally be strong and healthy on an individual basis. It's natural selection. If they're not hardy, they don't survive, so the ones that are left are healthy.
I'm not saying that there's no way to eat exclusively meat and have it work out. I'm just saying that (a) you're choosing an example that doesn't apply all that well to making an argument about how to eat in the modern world (b) the industrially farmed meat that's available in the modern world, definitely in the US at least, is pure poison compared to what any ancient society you're studying was eating.
Every study in the modern world that I'm aware of has drawn conclusions of severe negative health consequences from eating too much of the type of meat that's available to us now.
Every study in the modern world that I’m aware of has drawn conclusions of severe negative health consequences from eating too much of the type of meat that’s available to us now.
Would you like to see more data?
On average, participants who reported consuming meat regularly (three or more times per week) had more adverse health behaviours and characteristics than participants who consumed meat less regularly, and most of the positive associations observed for meat consumption and health risks were substantially attenuated after adjustment for body mass index (BMI). In multi-variable adjusted (including BMI) Cox regression models corrected for multiple testing, higher consumption of unprocessed red and processed meat combined was associated with higher risks of ischaemic heart disease (hazard ratio (HRs) per 70 g/day higher intake 1.15, 95% confidence intervals (CIs) 1.07–1.23), pneumonia (1.31, 1.18–1.44), diverticular disease (1.19, 1.11–1.28), colon polyps (1.10, 1.06–1.15), and diabetes (1.30, 1.20–1.42); results were similar for unprocessed red meat and processed meat intakes separately. Higher consumption of unprocessed red meat alone was associated with a lower risk of iron deficiency anaemia (IDA: HR per 50 g/day higher intake 0.80, 95% CIs 0.72–0.90). Higher poultry meat intake was associated with higher risks of gastro-oesophageal reflux disease (HR per 30 g/day higher intake 1.17, 95% CIs 1.09–1.26), gastritis and duodenitis (1.12, 1.05–1.18), diverticular disease (1.10, 1.04–1.17), gallbladder disease (1.11, 1.04–1.19), and diabetes (1.14, 1.07–1.21), and a lower IDA risk (0.83, 0.76–0.90).
https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-021-01922-9
That's just the first random thing I found. Again, I am sure that a lot of that has to do with the low quality of the meat available in modern factory-farm-driven societies. I'm just saying that if you're advocating for people eating meat, and they live in that type of society, they're going to be fucking themselves up by eating lots of the type of meat that is available to them in that society.
I don’t think I’ll be taking any life advice from someone called the Steak and Butter Gal
I would agree if you was in a community called nutrition or diet.
Context for the cancer thing. Btw I did not downvote everything but that should not matter
Seems like someone's salty about their post being at -11 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't think YDI or anything but just block the community and move on with your life...
I saw that too and was fucking appalled. The kinds of mental gymnastics needed to call something that is itself carcinogenic “the cure for cancer” is fucking ludicrous.
This would be a great discussion post for the [email protected] community
https://www.dietdoctor.com/red-meat-and-colon-cancer-the-evidence-remains-weak
TLDR The evidence against red meat is extremely weak, and has tremendous healthy user bias, especially since most people in epidemiology surveys have a carbohydrate metabolism. For a true comparison against carnivore eaters we would need to see a ketogenic metabolism.
No. Fuck off with that shit. Already blocked that community. Thank you 😘 byeeeee!
Right, this is why you are not a good fit for that community - we can't have a meaningful discussion.
Hence why I’m not in that community and blocked it. You are the one here evangelizing me for it 😂
Never waste a opportunity for outreach and to clear up misunderstandings. Y'all are here disparaging me and my words - which is a invitation for dialog.