The net brings us together but it also brings the haters and drama. I knew I knew this dude from something.
this post was submitted on 26 Jun 2024
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Yeah that video essay is such a wild ride. I'm on the spectrum and I absolutely understand the emotional ties one can have to such esoteric hobbies, and how those emotions can twist relationships due to perceived slights and phantom insults.
Nobody hates Nerds like other Nerds.
I'm a Star Wars fan. Tell me about it.
You've made an enemy for life!
I would but you'd probably say "it's not canon" or something like that /j (I'm equally start trek and star wars, I can hate and agree with everyone!)
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I don't understand how anyone thinks any social media platform resembles a community.
You're currently posting in one...
Yeah but that doesn't mean I think it's a "community" that I am "joining".
Certainly by some definition of the word you can call these things communities just because that's how language works. Using "community" in this way is so pervasive I laughingly recall a tech bro watch company calling the people that buy their watches a "community".
But from the meaning of the word before the rise of social media, social media platforms and the loosely structured groups underneath that you "form" by "joining" (AKA sometimes just looking at a video or web page or something) them definitely don't resemble nor replace a community.
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TL;DR: Being subscribed to "Lemmy Shitpost" (or just not blocking it, as is my case) isn't exactly like joining the local chapter of the Loyal Order of Moose.
...I guess you aren't going to want any of these welcome cookies that we baked for you then. =(
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That's a fair take I think.
Would you say smaller forums where people largely know each other are communities then? IRC? Discord?
Because I struggle to think what else could or has ever fit such a strict definition.
Would you say smaller forums where people largely know each other are communities then? IRC? Discord?
Probably not, but they're at least closer. Real communities provide you care, support, relief from loneliness, a sense of purpose, etc. etc. etc.
It's possible for some (lucky souls) to find tiny nuggets of these benefits in even the worst online "communities" (I think partially because we're hard wired as humans to need these things), but by and large it's does not exactly scratch the same itches that your grandma's sewing circle or bridge club used to.
Because I struggle to think what else could or has ever fit such a strict definition.
It's difficult to reason about because if you're anywhere close to my age group (old ass millenial) online "communities" appeared and replaced existing physical communities across the country (I'm speaking in US terms). We're now basically as lonely as we've ever been as a country, and I think it's at least partially related to us going inside and screen timing it up for a number of decades on these platforms where "the community" is a bunch of strangers angrily typing messages to you through the Internet.
I find it no small coincidence that loneliness in America skyrocketed even as people became more active on social media. It points at the exact lack of benefit you get out of these "communities" that you used to get out of the old type.
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Anyone else think this was the “taking a selfie using a silly object” meme at first?
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Train spotting used to be the niche hobby.
We've come a long way. I don't know which way, but here we are.
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These people are documenting the history of an important part of our infrastructure. One video from a channel in this community documented a 1970s home security system as he was contracted to remove it. It’s super fascinating learning how these things function and watching them be tested. Such content can also help a person get over fear of alarms!
The video: https://youtu.be/mwAFN1aSFjY
I fear alarms because they hurt. It's not like Spiders where learning more helps. I've been hurt by alarms hundreds of times in my life. Learning more isn't going to help me fear them less.
How are you hurt by alarms? Noise, high voltage, the fear of the things they indicate, or something else? legitimately curious, never heard of this phobia before
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Cancer says maybe
No, but his neighbours do.
Imagine how different the world was for people with super niche interests before the internet. Back then, this would have been seen as the weird (or at best eccentric) guy in your town who collects fire alarms and won't stop talking about them. Now he's presumably got a fulfilling social life via his unusual hobby, and an outlet to share his thoughts to a willing audience.
For all its many faults over the last decades, this is the pure internet at its best.
Possibly. He hates the screenshot and wants everyone to stop posting it, though.
Maybe people didn't frequently have weird hobbies before.
The way I see it internet widened enormously the diversity of knowledge we get to check. And that's these weird rabbit holes online that create the similarly weird new hobbyist.
That's a fair point but I suspect this has always been the case. I bet if we could go back to the prehistoric period we'd find someone saying, "Cronk found himself another dick-shaped leaf to add to his collection." I'd almost think with less available to amuse them, people would be finding joy in all sorts of weird hobbies or collections.
This is the case. Check out the old Re:Search zines/books. Each is about some wired niche thing and has a bunch of contributions from different people. Folx have always been into strange things, and folx have always found kindred spirits, the internet makes it easier to find, abd troll, them.
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What's crazy is that a lot of niche hobby/lifestyle people found eachother anyway pre-internet. Shopping cart drag races, downhill shovel events, a lot of counter culture movements, early body modification, all manner of shit. People get into some seriously wierd/niche/one-off stuff and given a little time, they'll find someone else that's into the same thing. It's like electrons in a post big-bang universe, they sort of attract each other. The internet has made it way easier for people to find their tribes, but they used to find them anyway.
Very good point! I imagine meeting someone in person and finding out they have the same unusual hobby would have been quite the thrill. I'm old enough to distinctly remember a world before the ubiquitous internet, but never had a super niche hobby to have given me that sort of experience.
Yeah. It's funny, my cousin is a few years younger than me but has no memory of the world pre-net. I told him the story of how we used to have to do things and it blew his mind.
Ex. Cowboy Bebop. Me and a buddy heard a thing on Terry Gross about the soundtrack one day driving home from work. They played a few seconds of Tank! Man, we were hooked instantly. So we changed directions and went to, where? Where do you go? Blockbuster? FYE? Game store? Comicbook store! They'll have it! So we went to every comic shop in the area (we knew them all because we would get MtG cards every payday). A couple had a DVD or two. How many episodes were there? How many seasons? How long would our search take? It was a treasure hunt. Calling game stores, calling small video stores. Finding one DVD at a time but not in order. It was like that for everything. And honestly, I think it gave things a greater value.
I love being able to answer almost any question instantly. When I'm listening to an audiobook, if there's a word I'm not sure of, I can pause, get a definition, and go back to my book without even looking at my screen or touching my phone. But there's deff a sense of flippancy to everything now that wasn't there before. Bad or good, I don't know, it is what it is. But I do miss the hunt for new stuff.
Now we can find communities and just passively partake
Yeah. I'm not sure it's better this way though.
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