Meh, leave it to Russia to bungle the whole concept of school shootings. If less than two kids get killed, that's just a normal school day here in America. And really what is so tragic about kids getting shot? Life is best to those who live the least of it.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
Or you could stop believing every bullshit thing that the anti-gun groups make up...you know it's bad what NPR can't find everything they report as true and calls into question what's real.
The worst is the Gun Violence Archive and their "mass shooting index" which gets quoted uncritically in the media, so you get headlines like:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shootings-days-2023-database-shows/story?id=96609874
"There have been more mass shootings than days in 2023, database shows
The United States has experienced 627 mass shootings so far this year."
The problem is they define "mass shooting" differently from how the public sees a mass shooting.
Their definition is a shooting event where 4 or more people are injured or killed.
So were there 627 events similar to the UNLV situation where a nut with a gun shows up in a public place and starts shooting indescriminately?
No.
Most of the shootings listed on the Gun Violence Archive are situations where there was a party, alcohol or drugs were involved, two parties got into an argument, the argument turned into a fight, and people got shot. That's not how most people define a "mass shooting".
I'd argue for a mass shooting definition of "person(s) arrive at a public location with the sole intention of shooting as many people as possible."
That would rule out the bar fight incidents, or robberies gone bad, or people who go nuts and kill their family in their own house. We should distinguish between psychotic episodes that put the public at risk, vs. normal crime, vs. domestic vioence that does not involve the general public.
So your objection is that they call a mass shooting a mass shooting? What magic number would you like them to use?
No, my objection is they call normal shootings mass shootings with the agenda of making and keeping people scared.
You don't think the nra telling people to be scared and that they need a gun to feel safe is more of the issue?
Not really, because the vast, vast, number of gun owners don't use them.
Let me give you some perspective...
We don't REALLY know, but the best estimate is there are around 474 MILLION guns in the United States.
https://www.thetrace.org/2023/03/guns-america-data-atf-total/
In 2021, 48,830 people died from gun injuries.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
54% of those were suicides. So 22,462 murders or accidents.
Gun laws are never going to prevent suicides, only national mental health care can do that. So looking at the murders and accidents:
22,462 / 474,000,000? 0.0000473878
That's not a crisis, it's a rounding error. And, yes, each one of those 22,000 deaths individually is a tragedy, but that also means 473,978,000 guns sat around collecting dust.
In 2021, 48,830 people died from gun injuries.
Jesus christ.. Let's compare to other developed nations, wanna do per capita or total?
Other countries don't have a 2nd Amendment. Not the same thing.
You're right, you guys have the right to shoot yourselves and each other. Carry on.
You're so close to getting it.
Oh, I absolutely get it, what folks outside the US don't get is the 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere.
To repeal it, you first have to get 290 votes in the House, which is largely insurmountable. It took George Santos to get that many Congressmen to agree on something.
Then you need 67 votes in the Senate, the body that can't get past 60 to disable a filibuster.
Assuming, miracle of miracles, that happens, then you need ratification by 38 states.
Biden only won 25, and of those only 19 have Democratic statehouses. You'd need 19 red states to be on board with giving up guns, assuming you didn't lose any blue states.
So, yeah, Good Luck!
So, yeah, Good Luck!
My advice to the kids in tomorrow's mass shooting I guess 🤷
They should at least understand the barriers and work towards a solution that isn't "well, ban guns." Because that won't happen.
"The shooting was linked to drug activity at 3005 Buckhead Apartments, they said.
“This wasn’t like a home invasion type of scenario. We believe that the perpetrators were invited in for that drug exchange. It was some type of drug transaction that was taking place inside the apartment,” Maj. Peter Malecki told WANF."
So drug crime... shocking.
Sorry, what kind of mass shooting were you expecting lmao?
One where innocent people got victimized, not criminals engaged in a drug deal.
You're right, they deserved it. Guess we'll have to just wait until the next preschool shooting for people like you to pretend to care again. 🤠
I'm not shedding tears for the latest contestants on "Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes".
I'm not surprised, you sound like you struggle with empathy.
I save my empathy for those who deserve it. Pro-tip - Drug dealers and other criminals don't deserve empathy. They fucked around, they found out.
Yeah dude, people struggling with addiction deserve to be gunned down in the street. Good and normal take. Execute non violent offenders lmao
So Russia can list all of their school shootings for the past couple years with details in a condensed lemmy bot post….. very tragic still but damn it usa needs gun reform legislation nationally.
I don’t think we could list all of our school shootings in the past month this concisely, let alone going as far back as the 2020’s.