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I'm very conflicted about this. On one hand, it's kind of bullshit to take this level of action on something that can be handled on a case-by-case basis, when the need arises.
On the other hand, I'd prefer to see Lemmy avoid the reputation that Mastodon has garnered with the activities that are vastly under moderated there. With the size that some instances are reaching obviously there needs to be a level of discretion towards the content you will allow.
It's, however, a slippery slope from protecting the community to accepting bribes for exclusive access to your user base.
"Due to moral objections, we've decided to block this meme community. However here's an alternative that will show you advertisements disguised as funny memes! They even have most of the same content as the old one! Enjoy!"
Don't let that become reality.
You guys shit the bed. Shiess the bed. Whatever you sourkraut fuckers want to call it. It would have been easier to set yourselves on fire in a bunker. Fascism is as fascism does. Tell us "it's for the greater good". You're just cutting away the undesirables. You admins do so much for our own good and we should be grateful you know so much better than we do. That's why you have all those updoots
Seems overly cautious, or lemmy.world is trying to find excuses to cut off content they don't like. Legal trouble for allowing access to those communities, which aren't even based on lemmy.world, would be so much of an overstep, they'd probably be able to get free legal counsel from the EFF or a similar organization.
Anyways, this will be my last post on this server. Even though I don't use any of those communities, I don't want to have to constantly monitor what has been banned to see what I may miss out on.
Apparently, lemmy.world also removed c/shrooms, which I didn't even know about. And again, risk of legal trouble for that would be extremely low.
Wow. Itβs amazing the replies here. If you want to steal other peoples work, then go elsewhere. No one owes you the right to steal other peoples content.
Iβm guessing the idea here is to eventually sell out to a corporate operator
This is why Lemmy won't grow, a lot of instances are forcing their users to create another account on other instances, this was my third account due to the blocking of some instances like this...
Honestly fuck off. I came to Lemmy because I'm sick of people telling me what I can view and how I can view it. Guess I'll go find another instance again.
You can view whatever you want anytime you want and your don't need kemmy.world's permission to do it. This is the point of the fediverse.
This is the point of the fediverse.
But users expressing their opinion about the policies of the Lemmy servers they use is part of that
Of course, but the reason is also understandable, no?
Imagine you run your own instance. Imagine after starting it up with sparkly eyes and going "OMG, people are joining my instance", one day a friend makes you aware "Hey you do realize you're hosting a social media community, yeah? Have you ever looked into the legal part of that? Like what content is or isn't okay, what users are allowed to post according to your country in correspondence to each other, how you'll handle DMCA and Netzdurchsuchungsgesetz takedowns, and who represents your site in court if you get sued?"... and then you realize fuck, you have no clue.
Now imagine then realizing you're the largest instance, and hence the target for anybody wanting to come after Lemmy as a system in any legal way.
It's fun to rant at the devs. However, unless you're the admin(s) of either lemmy.ml
or beehaw
, the only two instances large enough to potentially worry about this, you really don't have a good perspective on things. But imagine you were one of these instances:
- On the 21st of June, Lemmy as a whole reached 600k confirmed users.
- A lawyer firm writes you a letter, making you aware of linking to illegal content. This is fineable under some jurisdictions and with some content, Germany is one of these, where
lemmy.world
is hosted. - The fine they can threaten you with depends on the reach of your link. Well, since Lemmy is federated, they cite 600k people exposed to that link for which you're responsible, the link is on your server after all (an effect of ActivityPub).
- It'll probably be something like a few hundred euros per exposure, but multiple that and they'll be threatening you with some crazy amount.
Now, of course, the number of exposures, the total sum and the idea that it's your link can all be attacked in court, to various degrees of ease.
However, you need lawyers for that. Specifically, you need money that makes those lawyers outlast the other side, as in these cases it's mostly about whether your money bin is deep enough so you can even see the case through to the end.
Imagine that, as a private person: Someone suddenly gives you the prospect of having to pay 5-6 digit legal fees. That's just the legal fees, this is all assuming you win, otherwise you're also looking at some 7-9 digit figure maybe. Would you keep federating with piracy instances? Or would you also go "Fuck it, this is my hobby project and IANAL, this isn't worth it"?
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Basically, from the perspective of the lemmy admin: If you want them to stay federated with piracy content, would you also be fine if they put your name (and you sign documents to this effect IRL) on the site as the legally responsible person for all content on it? Probably not, right? So saying they should keep content up is a bit weird. They're responsible for it, they are the only ones with any say in it. If you want your own say, make your own instance. But be aware that this also makes you legally responsible for anything, of course.
QQ: Have there been other communities removed and was it communicated?
I have just realized that c/Shrooms has been banned too, but I cannot find a statement regarding this particular ban.
Are or will there be more bans? I am not asking to complain about it or make remarks about which the decision is correct to me or not, but rather point out the lack of communication or unfortunate communication.
This is a bit concerningβ¦ why is Lemmy censoring things that not even Reddit is censoring? This seems like a bleak warning for the future of the platform. I understand censoring illegal content, but if nothing is hosted on Lemmy, then whatβs the problem?
I can still access r piracy on Reddit, i thought lemmy.world had more freedom of speech than corporate sellouts. π
Any suggestions on instances to move over to?
While I'm not ethically opposed pirating, I understand and would probably do the same for a server I was hosting. Anybody remember Kim Dotcom's mansion raid?
What I do not understand is blocking a community surrounding magic mushrooms.. No one is going to prosecute the L.W admins for people discussing shrooms/their use...
Substances are legal/illegal depending on where one lives, just like weed which is apparently perfectly fine to post here, even tho possession is a death sentence in some countries.
It simply doesn't logically follow that weed, or even alcohol communities are permissible while a shroom community is not.
Banning any content deemed illegal in any country in the world establishes a very dangerous precedence (if that's the justification here). Free speech/dissenting from the government is illegal in many places in the world.
One thing the community must remember tho, is that you have to operate your server in accordance with the law in which country you're hosting it (in this case Germany).
I'll gladly admit I'm not too familiar with German law, but it seems unreasonable to expect government persecution for hosting servers which hosts a shroom discussion community.
Whoa wait wtf, they blocked a mushroom community? I didnβt hear about that