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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Ah yes, "communism". Op show me 1 country with communism. Dictatorship with 'communism' in their name don't count.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I can name several countries that tried to do a communism, and wound up being what communists insist doesn't count.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Communism IS a dictatorship. There's no other way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought that dictatorship masked themself as Communism

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Communism, especially Marxist-Leninism, seems to require some sort of benevolent dictator who is willing to work towards destroying their own power, which obviously never seems to happen. ML theories state the need for a Vanguard state, which is a dictatorship that is supposed to be there to simply enforce the rule of the working class until a time when it is no longer needed.

So the idea of dictatorship is built into the major form of communism that has been tried, basically. One of the main problems with this is that the steps a nation has to take before it gets to "true communism" in ML theory are ripe for abuse, and hard to get through without someone corrupt seizing power.

I think there are some good theories in Marx writings, it's just the methods for attempting to implement it definitely need to be reexamined because they don't work.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

This is where I tend to disagree with Marx as well.

Capital is a fantastic book full of scathing and prophetic analyses of capitalism and its innate degradation of value and connection.

The Communist Manifesto is a book with some good ideas but some implementation that I find flawed. And that's not a knock on Marx-- critiquing problems is a significantly easier prospect than offering solutions.

But a lot of Marx's proposals for the implementation of Communism are rooted in authoritarianism, even if their end goal is the dissolution of the state and capital. Also, for an ideology versed in the formation and interdependence of worker communities, the Day of the Rope is kind of antithetical to establishing solidarity and mostly serves, I believe, as masturbatory schadenfreude.

But hey, I'm willing to fix some of the stuff that doesn't work instead of throwing more fuel into the machine that over-harvests people and our planet to the point of destruction.

I really like this nuanced take, btw. Thanks for posting it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait are you telling me the Democratic Republic of North Korea is neither Democratic or a Republic?? Like they'd just lie?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

You can't do that???

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This meme doesn’t work, because in the scene the image comes from, we have every reason to believe Ron Swanson actually does know more than the employee at the hardware store.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Pretty much Lemmy. I grew up in a communist civil war, hosing blood off my sidewalk was a weekly chore, the neighbors vanishing cause they pissed someone off and were labeled red. But yeah, Lemmy teens, you guys know all about it! /S

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Erm pushes up glasses that wasn’t real communism because real communism works.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol ya right?!

The NSDAP was a real socialist party.

The Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea is actually democratic and governed by the people.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Did you still use money to buy goods and services? Was your father able to do speak up at work? Change jobs? Go on vacations?

Just because something called itself communism didn't make it communism. The state owning everything is the opposite of communism. In extreme communism, there isn't even a damn state as we know it.

The people in the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea do not live in a democracy nor a republic.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So communism = god?

A fictional impossibility

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

In many ways, yes. It is absolutely an ideal that is not compatible with current reality.

That's why anyone who's remotely realistic about it understands it's an end state of pushing for anarcho-socialistic policies, one that maybe cannot be achieved. Like saying, "Humanity will walk on the moon." when it's 1910. Conceivable? Kinda'. Possible? Hell no.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

The ussr may not have been communist, but it was definitely the initial goal. The idea of a revolution that leads to a dictatorship of the proletariat is inherently flawed. You just end up replacing a corrupt government with another corrupt government.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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