Has someone told them about Lysenkoism?
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I say let them.
Iran was a progressive country once too and look how it is now. Also look at it's power nowadays. The US wants to be Gillead from the handmaid's tale? Then go ahead. You'll be a third world country, unable to feed your own population, within a few years.
Good luck
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Those of you that paid attention during the evolution and creationism (the round 2) fiasco should be familiar with what's going on right now.
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So, literally exactly what was promised. In excruciating detail.
It’s mind boggling how Trumps policy is twisted positively so relentlessly. There’s so much deciphering of “oh he really means this writes an essay.” No, his platform means what it says.
Then people are shocked when it happens!
good, nothing would destroy the USA harder in the long term
Psychopaths, sycophants and grifters vying for power were all very prevalent at German universities and research labs at that time. While Engineering still kind of worked - as it was needed for the war machinery and larger industry - even there, with it being "politically neutral", there was a brain drain - because education allowing for creative thinking was curtailed more broadly, and many talented minds were killed or displaced or even just disfavoured in favour of more nepotistic choices.
And the myth of "German engineering" being fundamentally way above allied engineering during the war still holds in some circles, when mostly it was about different priorities (like - reliability instead of complex engineering, or the proximity fuse instead of rocketry, or radar instead of jet engines), and even in the spaces where Germans had a leg up on their enemies, it was not a fundamental advantage, but a gap that was being bridged even before German scientists were recruited after the war.
As much as history was distorted, the Nazis regime still fancied itself as secular and intellectual, right?
This one seems to view the scientific establishment as a distrusted obstacle, corrupt. There’s not even the pretense. Demolishing “woke” science is the stated point.
Sort of, they also had weird currents of esoteric nonsense, like "Welteislehre" for example. Or Himmlers expeditions to Tibet to find the origins of the master race and evidence of supetnatural abilities. They believed themselves to be secular and anticlerical, but they had their own cult with superstitions.
And they absolutely hated some scientists, relativity was a thorn in their eyes, for example, as "Jewish Science".
That's fascinating. I vaguely knew of the superstition angle, but not specifics or the extent.
There goes my afternoon, thanks.
But it does remind me of similar issues in other countries. China, for example (not to single them out) has issues with Eastern Medicine culture conflicting with scientific practices, right?
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Yeah, uhmm... I'm pretty sure - checks notes - yeah, that's actually the exact opposite of how science works... Thanks for playin, tho!
What are you responding to here?
Who are you responding to here? 🤔
So, I guess just in case you're somehow genuinely unfamiliar with a nested comment structure (which, if so, you've got to explain your situation to me, because I honestly can't think of a probable scenario in which you aren't, yet it's 2025 and you also have both a device with internet access and the faculties to reply to me): That was what's known as a 'top-level comment', which means it wasn't a reply to anything, but instead a comment which can be responded to that gets listed alongside other comments which can also be responded to... Any responses to these - such as your question - get listed beneath (otherwise known as being 'nested' under) the original comment or post, where it can be replied to in turn. Collectively, this is known as a 'comment thread'.
Got it now? 👍
Wow...you must have no problem making friends lol
I'm just really confused by the people responding "that's not how science works, buddy!" when that's not at all the point of what Hitler did or the Trump Admin is doing. This entire interview is about funding cuts and political censorship, because the entire point is the Trump Admin exerting political and social control over the scientific establishment in the US. You responding to all this with "that's not how science works, buddy!" just misses the point.
Science is pretty much by definition supposed to be an objective measurement of the universe, uncolored and unaffected by political or idealogical bias (those would be your "political censorship" and "funding cuts" you mentioned, since you're apparently having trouble following along...) Since science should be objective, funding based on idealogical grounds or the political censorship of research is anathema to science, as it is by definition not objective. I'm not sure how I can make that any clearer.
I'm not sure what about any of this has to do with me making friends, but let me know how attempting to be condescending and thinking you're clever while completely missing a simple point works out for you... Cuz I may be autistic, but you're stupid, and I know which I'd rather be 🤣😂
If you don't think even the best science has inherent biases, I guess I don't know what else there is to talk about, even though this is way off track from the conversation.
Do you disagree that Hitler and the Nazi party destroyed the scientific establishment in Germany? It sounds like you think since the concept of science exists independently of nations or politics that governmental control of scientific institutions is inconsequential, which I couldn't disagree with more.
Calling people stupid and deriding them is also really not cool, fyi
It was more denigrating, than anything, if you wanna go down that road, precious. 😋 And you seemed more than pleased to open the door to insults, so... I dunno, don't dish it out if you can't take it, snowflake?
And if it was just an understanding issue, I would've simply said you were ignorant, but at this point either you're genuinely incapable of understanding or being purposefully obtuse. Both are pretty fucking stupid, so...
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Worked out really great last time it was tried, didn't it?
That's the weirdest part of trying to change the "system of science." It's not a system, it's a process, it's rigorous, controlled, and peer reviewed.
What Hitler enabled was psychopaths being allowed to practice torture and murder.
When he says "the scientific system," he's talking about the institutions we have in the US that educate, employ, conduct research, and/or fund people conducting science. I guess I thought it was obvious he's not referencing the scientific method
Oh boy I'd love to hear Donald J Trump's exact thoughts on the scientific method. Every damn thing he's has to say about it will be absolute gold.
“My uncle was a scientist at MIT, so I think I know science better than most people. Also, magnets stop working if they get wet.”
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He would just parrot whatever the last person he spoke to said about it.
If he didn't talk to anyone about it beforehand, he would just talk about how "beautiful" our scientific methods are.
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Even then, it will just slow research down and set us back. Scientists won't stop sciencing, and it certainly won't lead to discoveries they want.
The system they're describing helps but the people are the ones that matter, not the institutions.
My point is no matter their approach, they will not be able to control the outcome of scientific research. The anti-intellectual fails to understand this. It's the whole of their being.
Some of us remember the damage that Bush's stem cell research ban did and how it set the world back decades for literally no reason whatsoever.
This is going to be so much worse than that.
In the global long run, yes, you're right, however the point here is comparing what happened in Nazi Germany to what's happening now in the US. It's not about Trump's America trying to get "the discoveries they want," it's about eliminating objectivity and punishing party-line dissenters. They don't actually care about science at all one way or the other, they care about political control
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Thank you. Finally, a post that reflects what science actually is. I am do sick of people saying "Science says..."
Yeah, that is exactly what they're trying to do.