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Three prominent researchers warn about the current existential threat in the United States

Helmut Schwarz has been reading about what happened to science during the rise of Adolf Hitler, almost a century ago.

The German chemist just received the Frontiers of Knowledge Award from the BBVA Foundation in Spain, due to his contributions to the field of catalysis. For him, there are parallels between the situation in Nazi Germany and Trump’s United States.

“From 1900 to 1932, a third of all Nobel Prizes went to Germany, more than to the U.S. and the U.K. combined,” he tells EL PAÍS. He and two other scientists sat down with EL PAÍS in Bilbao, where they received their awards.

“When Hitler came to power,” he continues, “German science — which led the world — completely disintegrated. But Hitler thought that wouldn’t be a problem,” he continues. Now, Donald Trump’s administration views universities — supposed hotbeds of progressive ideology — as the enemy. He wants to bring them under his control. “In my opinion, the threat isn’t immediate, but it’s very important in the long term,” Schwarz adds.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Brain drain is real and researchers in the US are already moving to other countries. Take for example France is enticing Nuclear scientists from the US for the fusion research project. History is definitely repeating itself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

History is written by the winners. Our current history is being rewritten by a crybaby, selfish, nazi.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This has been the longest and most tiring 6 months I've ever experienced

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Amen, my friend. My spouse keeps telling me to have patience wait for the consequences to hit these clowns. I am just very impatient because I don't want them to succeed in ruining more things for other people before they get what's coming to them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Good on you for marrying someone so optimistic

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

If he were to reply to your comment I know he would say "I'm not optimistic. I'm realistic." Haha He's great. Genuinely one of the best people I have ever met. Everywhere he goes he makes friends, inspires people and helps them improve themselves. So effortlessly kind and accepting of others. And he always believes things will be made right even if a situation is bleak. The shit he deals with on the daily in his job has broken most people, but not him. His psyche is made of titanium, I swear. No matter what type of day he has had or what he is carrying in silence, he always has emotional bandwidth to be there for others. I love him so much.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

It takes a lot longer to rebuild the town than it took to burn it down. It's sad that the consequences will take decades to fix if the course is corrected. The US has at this point suffered a lethal dose of radiation, it's dead, but doesn't know it quite yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

There's no fixing it, we are done as a unified nation

Go ahead tell me I'm wrong like all the other times I wasn't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, thats why I'm so impatient for this shit to end NOW. I don't want to see innocent people have their futures utterly annihilated for years to come. It is so frustrating.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

If you're too stupid to understand basic science and too proud to admit it, then this is the course of action that you follow.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Are these guys just now figuring this out?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm not sure I've detected an ideology on the right. They seem to be the most idealess people to have ever been pussyshat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Hate and fear, fear of not enough, and hate for everyone else who may take it.

It's literally that simple

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

Their ideology: man is boss. Woman is kitchen. God is science. Money is God.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

There are a couple as I see it. You have the religious fundamentalists, I think this is mainly seen in the rules and court cases allowing people to be asses backed by religion. They also are trying to push their ideas nationwide, this is at odds sometimes with the next group. You have the anti-federalists, to them anything the federal government does is evil (especially if its not their rules). This is the ripping out of all the federal departments. They don't see any good coming from them. Any tax is theft, and any money spent is wasted. (military excluded). The third group is similar to group 2, but they are just anti-regulation. "the free market will figure it out". Now I don't think any of these groups have good ideas, but the only reason they are doing what they are doing is because they have ideas and have been working on it for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Stupid reality not saying "yes" when some fat wheezing whining dumbass says wrong shit constantly.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Adrian Tchaikovsky is famous for being a prolific science fiction author.

He should also be known for his disturbingly accurate prediction of current events. I keep reading his work then finding the backstories becoming more realistic (and not in a good way).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

i have a feeling many scifi writers are pretty good at predicting "current events/future events" through abstract means, you kinda have to be if you want to be a scifi writer. even pre-2000s shows like simpsons, or scifi shows are good indicators.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which books? Ive read children of time and ruin, loved them. Couldn't get into shadows of the apt though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Alien Clay is particularly relevant to this thread.

Also his Terrible Worlds novella set, particularly Firewalkers and Ogres.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Luckily the reality that science attempts to measure doesn’t care about politics and will still exist no matter what he says. What it does mean is that it’ll be discovered in another country and the US will grow more and more isolated

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

UsA WILL decline like russia does, since russia is known to fund groups like these besides right wing governments.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

As someone looking at this from the outside (and also with an interest in space) the saddest part for me personally has been the decline of NASA. I'm doubtful they will ever get back the prestige they once held after all is said and done. I hope I'm wrong but.. yeah.

Also while I'm on the topic - I have my doubts about the chances of a long term program successful enough to compete in Europe and that only really leaves one major player left on the field: China. Everyone else will presumably be playing catch-up in the foreseeable future unless something drastic happens.

..and with the probable war we are about to have on our hands it's even worse. So much for science.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunatly science is influenced by politics and ideology. Scientific research rely on funding by political and ideological funders

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

yea, i have read on other platforms that when applying for grants, researchers after to be careful around global warming, like "who is to blame" if they point it as a human cause they are unlikely to get funded(the backers are often billionaire groups who are part of the problem" it would have to be labeled as something abstract to even be considered for funding. but its probably not as hard for every grant though. and i think many people in the PHD field hate doing grant writing , and thats another whole can of worms.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Then, a few years from now they will continue to ask why they need to continue to import their scientists from other countries.

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