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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Not a fan. I totally understand the need for climate protests, we're way too slow. And I also het that you're not gonna get headlines with a small protest somewhere. But why not disrupt things that are actually polluting, instead of throwing soup or paint at works of art. You'll also make enemies by blocking a major road or something, but at least it makes some sense.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Oh no! The history that we could have all have enjoyed in the future (if we weren't all about to die due to environmental collapse) has been slightly marred!

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I'm all for peaceful environmental protesting, but destruction of property and historic monuments/items only makes your movement look worse.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Powder, its quite likely water soluble

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Yup, its starch based and water soluble. It'll come off with a little water, no harm done.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It's a realy interesting tightrope. If you just stand in a field holdong signs your don't really get media attention. in order to get that attention you must do something that grinds peoples' gears enough to have media outlets pay attention to them. But that kind of action needs to skirt the vandalism vector, as otherwise people would be like 'they removed the unimportant turnip of Weddelsex, but I dont care' on the other hand You also cannot be too radical, as it will hurt your cause.

It would be great if enviromentalists had a voice that could be audible over the control over media that is enacted by big companies (murdoch f.i.), but theres little big money in the message of climate awareness, and it's a message most people dont't reallt want to hear.

So... You take aim at objects that are deemed worthwhile and important for the people you wish to reach and try to allign your message with the importance of those ancient and important works.

It's a losing battle as people choose comfort over complicated issues (seemingly) out of their control as annoyance, furthermore being made co-defendant in the case of climate destruction is rather jarring, therefore people are shy to pick up on them, as why should the burden be on them?

So theres no way to positively make your message. Therefore any demonstration is jarring per se, even if peaceful it needs to be at least known, and ironicaaly the best way to do that is to do something outrageaus, as our reptile brain goes very hard on that.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

There's no need for the media to spin anything, the protestors committed vandalism and, unless they are protesting the existence of prehistoric monuments, they did a really shitty job of even calling attention to their cause.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

good thing no historic monuments/items were destroyed and your comment is completely off topic.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

because they're not a vigilante justice organisation they just want the media to talk about it

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

No one knows who they were or what they were doing. But their legacy remains .Hewn into the living rock... Of Stone enge.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Rebecca Watson has an interesting video on this. The way things are going right now, people in 50 years will look back and say activists were the only people trying something, while most of us just waited for the shit to hit the fan.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

People will use this to galvanize efforts against climate action, and it will work. If you want to seriously do something, go after the people causing the crisis.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Activists (try to) do that as well. But it's much harder to get close to a rich person or their property, than it is to do something in public spaces. They, too, have to see what they can do with their limited resources.

Next, the media coverage is very unequal, as well as reader's interest. You are much more likely to click on an article covering a potentially outrageous action, than you are to read about something which does not bother anyone. Although you can rest assured, these things are tried and done frequently.

So naturally, to the uninvolved reader, it may seem as if activists don't do anything but stupid stunts. And naturally, each outsider seems to think they have a much better grasp of strategy and what actions might make sense than the people who are actually involved in these things.

Of course, a particular action can still be silly. I just want to draw attention to biases at play, in general.

And if you really have a much better idea how to do something about the climate crisis, then go ahead and shine as an example. Not only would you author an actually impactful action (which in itself should be reason enough), you could also show all these rookie activists how to get things done. If your example is convincing, you should see less media coverage about inferior actions.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It's particularly funny because Stonehenge is almost entirely a reconstruction and not a partially destructive one at that. Iirc there are even legit photos of the henge stones in piles on the ground.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It will inspire people to take more drastic action, and highlight the urgency of the cause in a way that targets those who are causing it. It's also more likely to create sympathy, since the ones causing the problem are the ones being punished for it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The climate crisis is not caused by certain individuals.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Policy is what drives the climate crisis, and policy is primarily controlled by the rich and powerful, especially in countries like the US where corporate lobbying reigns supreme. You could argue that it's ultimately capitalist incentives that create this paradigm, but I would say that those incentives are upheld by the same powerful individuals who benefit from them.

tl;dr, the climate crisis is caused by certain individuals.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

the whole "the climate crisis isn't the fault of people" is an excuse for the religious and rich and stupid to continue with business as usual until the environment collapses and we are all dead

reasoning with them is like trying to de-program a cult member (the religious), get a drug addict to give up drugs (the rich and their avarice), or teach a windows user to learn linux (the stupid and learning new things that make sense)

the intelligent people need to stop trying to reason with these three tar pit groups and force them to adhere to our will

but the reality is that this should have happened 50 to 100 years ago and it's probably too late. we're sort of of at the "is it better to be in the blast zne or slightly outside the blast zne" phase of environmental collapse. the problem is mostly religion, which has doomed us.

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