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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Of course. They're pronouncing it wrong.

Gotta gotta rhyme with tamales.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (5 children)

In my native language it's highly offensive to call a woman a female. Didn't know that's the thing in English.

At the same time we call children "human larve" and everyone is ok with that

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

It really really rubs most of us the wrong way. Yet, for whatever reason, stupid men are taught that it is ok to call us "females". It is like we are corpses. Things. Not even people.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Some of the guys I know seem to use it because they think it's a more PC way of saying it. One of them is married with kids who he has a good relationship with.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't understand. My girlfriend calls women "females".

So long as you're not using it in a disrespectful way, there's no reason why women can't be called what they are. What's next? Getting upset because I call it a vagina instead of a "pussy"?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It's generally the difference between using it as a descriptor, and a noun. Noun bad.

Compare "I really like watching the female football game" and "I really like watching the women's football game"
"Female" isn't trans-inclusive, but people aren't going to look at you weird either way you say it.

Now compare that to:
"I really like watching the females play football." and "I really like watching the women play football."
"Females" here makes you sound like you're getting sexual gratification from watching the players, or that you see them as nothing more than a vagina, "women" sounds like you might like the game.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I've never read any internet comment using “female” as a noun for human women that wasn't problematic.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (8 children)

This is interesting to me because, as a dude in his 40s, I grew up with adults (and even cartoons) saying 'woman xxxx' being the pejorative (i.e. damn woman drivers!). It's been weird to seem to see this flip.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I use it, and never mean it in an offensive way.

"The pronoun "she" is for females, while "he" is for males".

But now that I see that it's so widely seen as a slur, I'll refrain from using it with people who don't know me well. I'll use "women and girls", now.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I’m bothered when ever I hear someone use females as a collective noun for women. Not necessarily because it offends me or because I’m offended on behalf of someone else, but because it sounds so strange to me and the context where it is used is often wildly inappropriate.

The usage is odd; in my experience people who refer to women collectively as females often do not refer to men collectively as males which is often telling about other beliefs and ideas. Also, male/female and man/woman are dichotomies, and using men/females sounds really off.

Referring to people using technical terminology feels reductive and weird to me. Replace female with any other technical identity term and use it the same way: it will get really awkward really fast.

I am aware that the majority of people who use females collectively are not doing so to offend. Hell, the other day, I heard a teacher refer to the girls in her class as females. I doubt she was using it as a pejorative, but she referred to the boys as… boys. The whole thing was weird to me.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Image of the introductory coursework for people wanting to learn English.

It's crazy how the eldritch amalgamation that is the English language can have zero rules, yet a dozen unwritten ones of what you can and can't say. Good luck threading the needle if you aren't up to date with the latest cultural evolution in America. Add on top that the kids keep inventing sentences worth of new acronyms.

I get what group of people the article is poking fun at, one of them is on proud display in the comment section. Though I still feel people should have a better understanding that as the Internet's lingua franca you'll encounter people from a wide range of backgrounds, and their grasp of the language and culture will vary.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This, so much. In my language, even as little kids, they called us “males and females”, very rarely “boys and girls”.

Native speakers need to understand that not everyone knows all the connotations that come from every english word. Especially considering some of them are vastly different based on whether it’s used in USA, UK or Australia.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

TL;DR, most people are reasonable and can tell the difference. We cool.

People where English is not their first language get a pass. There is usually a very telling inflection when someone says "females" and means it in the bad way. I would rather help people with their English and explain that it is best to not say it that way, than get upset over our language being unnecessarily complicated.

The context of how female is said is even more confusing. Best way I think is if you are referring to a group of people or a specific person as female(s), that is bad. If you are referring to something about our gender, a description, or something impersonal, then that is fine. "Female anatomy.", "I hate being female.", "There was a female guard at the station."

While it is puts me on edge when I hear it (in that bad context), it isn't like they called me a cunt or something really foul. It is usually just an immediate red flag that we may be dealing with an incel, but let's see where this goes. Usually doesn't take long to get a confirmation on how they really meant it.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can certainly see it being a struggle for non native English speakers or English speakers from other cultures. Referring to women as females is one of those things thats accurate according to the language, but a lot of bigots have figured out that they can use common words as slurs and people are slower to catch on. Female is unfortunately one of those words; it evokes big "I see you as livestock" energy

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah. I think a fair few people misunderstand the intent of my comment. I agree that the connotation of "female" makes it a word one should be conscious about its usage.

I was strictly speaking of how non native speakers of English may struggle with keeping up with what's socially correct English according to the wider Internet culture.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Most language courses will have you learn the word woman before you learn female. Is this really an issue?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

What issue? I'm not even directly talking about the usage of the word female. I'm talking about the lack of understanding a lot* of English speakers show when "others" use their language.

To use male/female as an example, my language doesn't even have direct translation for male and female, we only have the equivalent to man/woman when speaking of humans. I could totally understand that someone who aren't terminally online may be confused of when to use woman and when to use female, especially as female may seem more formal and thus be confused with being the polite option, just as an example.

*far from all of course

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What are you talking about

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

He cray-cray

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I feel like the last paragraph made it pretty clear? Most people on the internet doesn't have English as their native language, expecting all those people to understand the constantly shifting connotation of every word feels rather ignorant/ethnocentric.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But every language has a constant changing lexicon and a difference between offical and actually used.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

English certainly feels like a lot more fast moving than Norwegian, can't really speak for other languages. That wasn't even really my point though

My point is that a lot of people seems to have rather strong feelings about something that can often simply be an honest mistake from someone who may not even be fluent in English, let alone understanding the finer nuances of the words

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Here’s a hint, guys: Bitches don’t like being called “females”.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Femoids don’t like being called “females”.

FTFY

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