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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's a wind turbine right next to my childhood home. I grew up thinking it was probably the most beautiful thing in the neighborhood. It was truly stunning to younger me.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they look awesome. I don't get the hate some have for them. pure ideology

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

It's because mines start as small holes and a few years later it has crept several square kilometers and a Bagger 288 is sitting inside.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Love me a meme with variable text color to maintain contrast against a changing background.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I can reclaim her ;)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

At first I thought this image was trying to say that wind turbines require too much mining

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Found the Albertan. Smith put an effective moratorium on renewable projects within 35 km of a provincial park, citing 'obscuring scenic vistas'.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-renewables-pause-moratorium-aeso-foip-1.7196943

Oh wait, it was just giant dick swing from the government, entirely not based on what anyone wanted.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

My impression is that the construction of wind turbines is opposed only in the sorts of place where no one would even consider strip mining - e.g. places where wealthy people live. Aesthetic sensibility is a luxury.

Edit: I'm not saying this to imply that people are wrong to develop aesthetic sensibility once they can afford to. I'm not so wealthy that I can afford to do anything about, say, a building being built that ruins my view, but as a member of the middle class I can participate in collective opposition to something like a nearby strip mine, whereas I wouldn't if I were so poor that I would welcome working as a miner.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The picture above is likely Garzweiler or Hambach in Germany. Schleswig-Holstein and Niedersachsen, two states in Northern Germany have a lot of excess wind energy both off- and on-shore, but Bayern and to a degree other states in the wealthy and industrial south kind of boycotted any energy transition by saying that power lines must be mostly underground and wind turbines must have 10x their height as a distance to residential buildings, thus effectively limiting both height and wind power expansion.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

But does the mine kill birds??? /s

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They shouldn't have landed on it! But they have no chance against wind turbines! /s

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That mine makes some guy hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. The wind turbine cuts into the profits of the guy who sells fossil fuels (and is likely to be the same guy).

That's why theres a weird media push to discredit and downplay wind power

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

My dude. My old manager at GoodWill makes hundreds of thousands per year outsourcing labor to a bunch of unfortunate folk. This strip mine makes millions. Tens of millions probably.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Yeah isn't it weird how somehow the "landscape" they're so worried about messing up with wind turbines or solar panels... Is never impacted by things like this?

Literally have never heard a conservative complain about strip mining even though it's insanely ugly and the closest we can come to actually raping the planet.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Because they don't care that the strip mine is ugly.

They also don't care that the windmill is ugly, even though they're saying it is.

What they actually care about is "Shut up liberal"

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I share the viewpoint of the meme, but here is the answer: to see one of these big holes, I have to drive there to see it. To see a wind turbine, I just need to look out of the window. Wind turbines are scattered everywhere. Coal mining pits are localised. They are massive, yes, but who cares when you don't live nearby, lived in a village torn down for mining or driving through it?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I’m not downvoting you but counterpoint: big fans are neat

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sooo... strip mining is better because it's less visible (it's actually not. source: have driven around the US)?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well,... Yes. It's not visible, so it doesn't bother as many people. As long as sweatshops are situated in Thailand and not in European cities, it's easy to buy a cheap pair of jeans and not think about where it came from. Same with a coal pit "somewhere else where I am not".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yes, but mines ruin villages and their water supply; and if the villagers protest, then the company may kill them

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I lived in an area that was going to start strip mining for sand that was the right consistency for fracking. Plenty of conservatives were amongst the loudest opponents. There's plenty of hypocracy, no need to exaggerate. Their reasons were not wanting to have so much heavy equipment on the roads and fear of silicosis, not opposing natural gas extraction.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There’s plenty of hypocracy, no need to exaggerate

Okay, I wasn't exaggerating. The existence of one counter example doesn't mean I was. For examples about what I mean: see almost every coal mining town ever. It's like a cult. The conservatives almost unanimously are in favor of coal no matter what it does to their environment or how badly the mining companies disregard safety and basic human dignity. I have never heard a conservative oppose or complain about strip mining, literally never. But if alternative energy ever comes up, they're all suddenly very concerned with natural beauty. This doesn't mean conservatives never once had an issue with strip mining, it just means that it's extremely rare in comparison to their comments like this: "omg wind turbines are UGLY and kill ALL the BIRDS"

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But the strip mine brings generational jobs and careers to the community, through stripping the area of its natural resources to enrich the wealthy!

Get out of here with your socialist wind!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I feel the need to clarify that these types of projects usually don't bring "generational jobs and careers" but usually bring outside workforce who will leave when damage done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

He drove away on those socialist roads!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Also when the companies inevitably pull out of the area and leave a ghost town some entrepreneur can come along and make a theme park. Win-win-win in my book. /s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Sometimes they even destroy existing towns to get the resources

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

See that's the real problem. Wind energy isn't destroying enough land to make room for theme parks and parking lots.