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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

There's also that another apocrypha of him and Plato. Plato once sarcastically claimed that men were "featherless bipeds". Diogenes later showed up with a chicken, whose feathers had been plucked, "Here is Plato's man!"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I always say, eating the rich would be disgusting. My proposition is to ground them up and use them as fertiliser. Preferably we grind them alive.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He was pretty cool with slavery though.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago

At least he was also captured and sold as a slave. Moreover, Dio Chrysostom chose him as his anti-slavery champion in Diogenes or On Servants.

Diogenes argues that it is better not to have slaves at all, observing that:

... nature has made each man a body that is sufficient for looking after himself. — Dio, Oration 10.10

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Child of his time. A working society without slaves wasn't imaginable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Also slavery was typically ~~nowhere near as~~ a different sort of brutal in that era. Still brutal and terrible, but not "working people to death and then shipping in more people to work to death" brutal.

Edit: changed my wording because slavery has always been fucking horrible, e.g. eunuchs

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, you got Sundays off and could keep property. Still not a good practice and I don't agree that society wouldn't have been able to function without it (maybe mining)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

It's not about if it would've been possible, it's whether people could imagine that it'd be possible.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

This is back in a time where like 0.1% of the population was literate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah... something about the anecdotes told about Diogenes sounds off to me - you don't see homeless people today live the charmed life they say Diogenes got to live.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

It's not implausible. Being a famous wit and wacky character can get someone a lot of latitude. I'm reminded of the Emporer of the United States, a locally famous weirdo who lived in San Francisco way back. Among his other notable hijinks, he was unemployed, yet never went hungry because he printed his own alternate currency (which he insisted was the only valid currency). Many of the local shops and restaurants just accepted it like official money even though it was worthless to anyone else, because everyone enjoyed his antics so much.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Thanks for a nice read!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

There are characters like this in New Orleans. They just get by and get high with the community. Homeless people really help each other out down there too

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