this post was submitted on 12 Jun 2024
1 points (100.0% liked)

Bicycles

3217 readers
35 users here now

Welcome to [email protected]

A place to share our love of all things with two wheels and pedals. This is an inclusive, non-judgemental community. All types of cyclists are accepted here; whether you're a commuter, a roadie, a MTB enthusiast, a fixie freak, a crusty xbiking hoarder, in the middle of an epic across-the-world bicycle tour, or any other type of cyclist!


Community Rules


Other cycling-related communities

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

A man who narrowly survived an ebike battery fire that killed his partner and two children says he is tormented by grief and guilt but determined to fight to change the law to avoid similar tragedies.

Scott Peden, 31, was placed in an induced coma for a month after suffering 15% internal burns when he tried to wrestle his burning ebike out of his Cambridge flat last June. He also smashed his heel in three places jumping from his bedroom after the battery exploded.

When he was pushed back by the flames and toxic fumes he called to his partner, Gemma, 31, and children, Lilly, eight, and Oliver, four, to jump from the same bedroom. “She said: ‘I can’t get out.’ That’s the last words I heard. I don’t know what happened,” Peden said.

He added: “Gemma knew I tried to help, but did the kids? Was their last thought ‘where’s Dad?’ I feel so much guilt and fear about what they went through in those last couple of minutes, it hits me every day.”

Peden learned of their fate only when he emerged from the coma in a burns unit in Broomfield hospital in Chelmsford. He says: “They told me Oliver was found in his bedroom. Gemma was found in our bedroom doorway and Lilly was under our beds with the two dogs.” The fire destroyed the family’s council flat and everything in it.

Cambridgeshire police told Peden that his family and the dogs all died from lithium gas poisoning. An inquest into their deaths will take place after police have concluded an investigation. It has so far focused on the previous owners of a secondhand battery that Peden bought online days before it exploded in his hallway.

Gemma, Oliver and Lilly were among 11 people killed in fires caused by ebike batteries in the UK last year, believed to be the highest number in a single year. Coroners, fire officers and campaigners have expressed growing alarm about rising sales of unregulated and potentially lethal batteries.

The number of fires from ebikes and escooters in London more than doubled in two years, from 78 in 2021 to 179 last year, according to figures from the London fire brigade. In the first five months of this year there have already been 66 such fires in the capital.

Peden is backing a campaign by the charity Electrical Safety First (ESF) for a law change to ensure there is independent third-party certification in the sale of such batteries, as there is with other dangerous products such as fireworks.

Speaking from the Cambridge flat where he has been rehoused, Peden said he was an “unlikely poster boy” for the campaign as he was dealing with his own trauma. He said: “I used to dream the whole experience over and over again. The PTSD means that sudden bangs put me in a panic attack.”

But, he added: “Campaigning has given me a sense of purpose. My life has been ruined but I can help save someone else’s.”

At the time of the fire, Peden was working for M&S unloading early-morning delivery trucks. He shared the ebike with a colleague who worked the evening shift. When the battery was stolen he could not afford the £600 it cost for a new one.

After having struggled financially, the family was looking forward to Oliver starting school as Gemma could get a part-time job. He said: “Our lives were just beginning. We were looking forward to finally taking the kids on holiday. And it all got snuffed out in a night.”

Peden has not spoken to Gemma’s family since the funeral and says they are unlikely ever to forgive him. Asked what he would say to them, he said: “I’m sorry, that’s all I can say. Should I have just used a push bike? It’s all my decisions that I have to live with.”

It was not Peden’s fault that the battery was unsafe or that it was so easy to buy online. Picking up his phone, he showed that within seconds he was being targeted with adverts on social media for similar secondhand batteries with no safety warnings or certification.

The Department of Business and Trade said a Whitehall taskforce had been set up to tackle the problem and research had been commissioned to understand the cause of fires in lithium batteries.

Peden is frustrated by the delays. “The longer they take to regulate, the more the bodies will pile up,” he said. He urged the next government to introduce ebike safety laws as soon as it came into office. “If my story doesn’t show the desperate need for a change in the regulation, then I don’t know what will.”

In a campaign video for Electrical Safety First, he said: “We are trusting the government that they are safe, but they are not. They need to be regulated, they need to be checked. Change the rules to save someone’s life.”

Lesley Rudd, ESF’s chief executive, said: “Across the country people are dying because of these fires, and people like Scott are left living with the grief and devastation. The status quo is killing people and ruining lives.”

(page 2) 15 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (7 children)

This is really horrific. But as this was second hand I'm not sure how having "independent third-party certification" in place would help, unless you could either get something you bought certified afterwards, or it was illegal to sell secondhand without said certification documents (but then you still run the risk of forgeries or after purchase alterations).

It points towards a bigger problem to me, that of dodgy imports in the first place. We need

  • Online market places to be jointly and severally liable for anything on their sites. No more shirking responsibility by saying it's on their sellers.

  • Proper import checks (thanks Brexit) to catch stuff that's not up to the existing safety standards.

  • More money put into enforcing existing safety standards in general

  • To work closely with the Chinese government to tackle dangerous products before they're out on the open market.

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't expect less from an E-bike.

That's why i'm not buying one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (6 children)

The article specifically mentions he couldn't afford the $600 battery that pays for official certification that is likely very expensive so he opted for the cheaper unregulated one. I'm willing to bet he let it charge overnight as well.

I just never let my ebike batteries charge unless I'm home and awake. But mine are the expensive ones as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

In a lot of areas there is financial icentives to charge overnight too.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

When he was pushed back by the flames and toxic fumes he called to his partner, Gemma, 31, and children, Lilly, eight, and Oliver, four, to jump from the same bedroom. “She said: ‘I can’t get out.’ That’s the last words I heard. I don’t know what happened,” Peden said.

That's fucking awful. I feel those words would haunt me for the rest of my life, which may not be that long if I had to live with so much survivor's guilt.

It has so far focused on the previous owners of a secondhand battery that Peden bought online days before it exploded in his hallway.

Anyone know how EU regulations look like for this?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Coming just after Project Farm's video about how most of the drill batteries sold on Amazon are fake (missing the safety features) - it must be even worse with larger bike batteries.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Laws like this truly are written in blood... And every new invention has the potential to add a little more of both.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

So why doesn't he name and shame the brand of ebike he bought?

If it was one of the major cycling brands surely he would.

Was it a dodgy deal on AliExpress or one of these resellers on Facebook/Instagram?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Read the article?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

It was not the ebike, it was a secondhand battery. It might've been an original, but bad battery, it might've been tinkered with by the previous owner, it might've been a Chinese knock-off. I doubt he knows at this point, and it's probably difficult or even impossible to determine from the wreckage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I'd wager some Chinese brand on Amazon that's sold under 50 different brand names. Good luck chasing them down.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Saying that it's some chinese brand is super funny. They make like 80% of batteries. I often heat people saying they don't want some chinese led's, they want the good stuff. Do people think there is a guy called Philip who solders led's in his basement in Michigan?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Well you're correct but some brands actually QC (quality control) their products and others do not. This filters out a lot of issues, just having a real human look everything over

Just off the top of my head I know Apple recently changed a manufacturing facility and they were NOT happy with the quality produced. 50% straight into garbage https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/14/iphone-casings-produced-in-india/

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A man who narrowly survived an ebike battery fire that killed his partner and two children says he is tormented by grief and guilt but determined to fight to change the law to avoid similar tragedies.

When he was pushed back by the flames and toxic fumes he called to his partner, Gemma, 31, and children, Lilly, eight, and Oliver, four, to jump from the same bedroom.

Coroners, fire officers and campaigners have expressed growing alarm about rising sales of unregulated and potentially lethal batteries.

Peden is backing a campaign by the charity Electrical Safety First (ESF) for a law change to ensure there is independent third-party certification in the sale of such batteries, as there is with other dangerous products such as fireworks.

Picking up his phone, he showed that within seconds he was being targeted with adverts on social media for similar secondhand batteries with no safety warnings or certification.

The Department of Business and Trade said a Whitehall taskforce had been set up to tackle the problem and research had been commissioned to understand the cause of fires in lithium batteries.


The original article contains 861 words, the summary contains 184 words. Saved 79%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›