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[email protected] - ARE YOU A TANKIE? - informal poll results ~

😱A ridiculous question. β€œTankie” isn’t a term anyone self-identifies with, it’s mostly a term used by liberals to hurl at anyone to the left of them or anyone who agrees with western foreign policy. The survey results will be as meaningless as the term β€œtankie” itself.

Image description: A5 page, with various pie charts and text, indicating the results of an informal poll from lemmy.ml, full image text in spoiler

full image text

ARE TANKIES TAKING CONSPIRING TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BAD TIME ON LEMMY.ML ??

HEXBEAR.NET

DOES THE WORK FOR YOU!!

WE ASKED [email protected] ARE YOU A TANKIE?

First stack of pie charts shows the yes / no split, highlights that the lemmy.ml yes responses made up less than half of the yes votes, hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml only made up a small portion, some hexbear-ians even vote no
second and third pie charts show the yes votes, and no votes by instance respectively
third stacked pie chart shows the yes / no split by instance, overlay-ed with the total yes / no votes

only top level comments were counted
tankies are closer than they appear
Deeply unserious
NDTS

full results / data

COUNTA of yes
@lemmy.ml = 10
@lemmygrad.ml = 5
@lemmy.world = 3
@lemmy.zip = 1
@hexbear.net = 3
@lemmy.sdf.org = 1
@lemmy.one = 1
Grand Total  = 24

COUNTA of no
@lemmy.ml = 2
@lemm.ee = 2
@lemmy.world = 8
@lemmy.blahaj.zone = 1
@reddthat.com = 1
@ttrpg.network = 1
@hexbear.net = 4
@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl = 1
Grand Total = 20

taken from archived post https://archive.md/AAY1L

this was fun, thanks for the polling idea, Kristina (I spent too long on these charts because yours looked so spiffy, I hope you specifically are impressed lol), solidarity cleaning that data up, and general reminder people only half read anything before launching into a diatribe

tl:dr yes, tankies are totally conspiring to make sure you have a bad time on lemmy.ml

specter

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

I've never seen a set of graphs with so few labels for everything it was showing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Are tankies conspiring to repeat the "tankie is a meaningless term" mantra till someone believes them?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

u can no more define tankie than you can define woke.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

Woke: from civil right movement, someone who is weary of loyalty to the state and instead examines society/policy/politics himself. - in modern times used as slur against progressive and ecological conscious people by right wing people.

Tankie: Someone who is authoritarian to a degree he sees using the army (tanks) against the own civilian population as a valid and legitimate action. Sometimes used as slur by people against those measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory) or as (positive) self reference by people in favor of such measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory)

Don't know what your problem is defining both.

EDIT: Not to be confused with "I know exactly who a tankie is and who isn't - my definition is 100% correct" or even "there are exact boundaries and conditions to what a tankie is"

Its like "peace", " progressive", "right-wing", different people will give you different definitions, my point is, that there is a concept to which the word refers and different interpretations/ambiguities don't render the term useless simply by existing.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What is your definition of a tankie

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago

Tankie: Someone who is authoritarian to a degree he sees using the army (tanks) against the own civilian population as a valid and legitimate action. Sometimes used as slur by people against those measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory) or as (positive) self reference by people in favor of such measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've seen Anarchists called "tankie" so at this point it either needs to be entirely redefined or done away with. Even suggesting people to read Marx can get you called a tankie these days.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So if I call a car a giraffe the word giraffe looses its meaning and becomes invalid?

Misusage of terms doesn't cancel out the concept these words refer to lul

If it would in would just call my bake rolls fascists, so the fascists go away

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

What is a "tankie?" Every person gives a different definition. It's like "woke."

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tankies broke into my house and moved all my furniture half an inch to the left

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

All in all, "Tankie" is just the modern version of "Pinko!" I've seen Anarchists called Tankies, every manner of Marxists, non-Marxist Socialists, and more. It truly lost all of its meaning and is just Lemmy's Red Scare.

A huge portion of that comes from Lemmy.world, which is the largest instance to defederate intentionally from Hexbear and Grad, which has the presumably unintended effect of making Zionists and other far-right wingers feel comfortable in an Anticommunist instance.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And apparently discuss.tchncs.de

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

What's their history?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Unintended may be somewhat true, in that nobody explicitly had that as a conscious reason, but it was an obvious result that they could've known beforehand. So I don't think it's useful at all to call it unintended. Just an easily understood and expected side effect

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

That's a fair enough critique. They definitely should have known what would happen, but this is more for the new users who came after defederation.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

I'm doing my part im-doing-my-part

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've only ever seen people complain about them tangentially. Guess I'm not following the communities they usually pop up in

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy is going through an Anticommunist Red Scare right now, particularly on Lemmy.world.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The fact that Hexbear polled more no than yes is so fuckin funny to me.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

hexbear is officially anti tankie, I don't make the rules. RIP

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

People who are downvoting this dont like to have fun

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (7 children)

I downvoted because after staring at it for 15 seconds I still had no idea what data it tried to transmit or what the message was. It's just a bad infographic.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Some of these graphs are just very hard to read even with the explanation another user gave

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What is the top graph? It seems to be some combined thing, but I can't figure out what.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Sorry its a bit confusing, its not serious though so its not worth stressing over

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