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Muslim leaders in swing states pledge to ‘abandon’ Biden over his refusal to call for ceasefire [Dec 03 2023 | Edward Helmore | The Guardian] (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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“We are not powerless as American Muslims. We are powerful. We don’t only have the money, but we have the actual votes. And we will use that vote to save this nation from itself,” Hussein said. “Families and children are being wiped out with our tax dollars,” he added. “What we are witnessing today is the tragedy upon tragedy.”

From behind a lectern that read “Abandon Biden, ceasefire now”, leaders from Michigan, Minnesota, Arizona, Wisconsin, Florida, Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania issued similar warnings that the president could not afford to lose the support of the Arab-American community in states critical to his chances for re-election.

A recent poll showed Biden’s support among Arab Americans has plunged from a comfortable majority in 2020 to 17%.

About 3.45 million Americans identify as Muslim, or 1.1% of the country’s population, and the demographic tends to lean Democratic, according to Pew Research Center. Like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are also home to significant Arab-American populations and critical to Biden’s re-election mathematics.

“The anger in our community is beyond belief,” Hussein, who is Muslim, told the Associated Press. “One of the things that made us even more angry is the fact that most of us actually voted for President Biden. I even had one incident where a religious leader asked me: ‘How do I get my 2020 ballot so I can destroy it?’”

Against a backdrop of pro-Palestinian protest in the US, Muslim leaders gathered in Dearborn said Biden or the likely Republican presidential candidate, Donald Trump, were not their only choices next year, and they could choose to sit out the election.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

And the Republicans are ROTFLMAO'ing all the way to their "Red Caesar" ( go search that ) dictatorship.

They will have an extremely poor liklihood of healthy, let-alone happy, lives, after the Christofascist White Supremacist wins his GEOTUS crowning.

shruggeth

A Darwin Award they are earning, then.

( and I'm saying that as a person who has stated openly that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is the SAME as what Russia has been doing to Ukrainians.

Remember Mariupol?

Was it Kherson or Kharkiv that they used their evil "heavy flame-thrower" on, back near the beginning? )

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

On the one hand, their pro-Palestinian politics are morally valid and increasingly popular as the world watches horrifying human rights violations in Gaza- I agree with them, it's important to put pressure on the Democrats to get on the right side of this issue.

On the other hand, I honestly think we are one GOP sweep victory away from an end to democracy in the USA- and my take on that is that the establishment-Dems probably think a 4-year stint of being punished by Republicans will teach those uppity leftists and minorities to toe the line better and in the interim they're pretty sure they'll be fiiine.

The reason I lose sleep over this sort of thing is I believe that once political power becomes decoupled from the consent of the governed, the rights and protections that arise in the constitution will become instead favors granted by an unaccountable power, contingent on whether or not they find you supplicant enough. Also we shouldn't count on being able to vote our way out of a situation where the rules prevent voting from making a difference- should it come to that, it's dark days friends

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I would argue it is actually the opposite.

The establishment understands how massively fucked we are and are trying to do whatever it takes to survive.

The progressive branch are openly attacking the President and inadvertently strengthening third parties (aka "spoilers"). This has largely been the case since 2016 (once there was a progressive/"progressive" candidate who actually stood a snowball's chance).

I have a hard time telling muslims they are wrong for being angry at Biden. Hell, I am angry at Biden. But it isn't like it will accomplish anything. Not voting for Biden is effectively voting for trump. And trump is openly hateful of Muslims.

Maybe its just the East Asian mentality. But we long ago learned that you more or less have to support the lesser evil, even if they are actively shitting on you and attacking you. Because the alternative will do so much worse.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What a bunch of utter morons. "Let's abandon the guy who isn't doing as much for us as we would like and instead vote for a guy who will actively oppress us!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Honestly this is one of the few times I get it. You don't want to vote for the guy that supplying the arms that are killing your people, even if he's the better pick.

Like if it was Jews and they had the choice between someone pro holocaust and someone VERY pro holocaust, then I can very much sympathise why they wouldn't want to vote for either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

They don't have to vote for Trump. They could just deny Biden the votes you think he's entitled to by staying home.

"Not Trump" is a message that does not work across all voters. If that's all we're running on, let's hope we don't need those votes.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"Not Trump" is a message that does not work across all voters

It ought to work for Muslims that haven't lived under a rock the last 7 years

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

And yet here we are.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

sure as shit works for most LGBTQIA+!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Incorrect, they can vote for 3rd parties. Americans people need to know a 3rd party exists instead of money grabbing politicians who spend billions on ads.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

3rd party, in america, is mathematically and sociologically a waste of a vote

you have FPTP; you do not have STV or RCV etc

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

So they'll help to elect Trump, who's even more pro-Israel? Great idea! /s