this post was submitted on 10 Jun 2024
702 points (99.2% liked)

Technology

58101 readers
3910 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

On May 26, a user on HP's support forums reported that a forced, automatic BIOS update had bricked their HP ProBook 455 G7 into an unusable state. Subsequently, other users have joined the thread to sound off about experiencing the same issue.

This common knowledge regarding BIOS software would, then, seem to make automatic, forced BIOS updates a real issue, even if it weren't breaking anything. Allowing the user to manually install and prepare their systems for a BIOS update is key to preventing issues like this.

At the time of writing, HP has made no official comment on the matter — and since this battery update was forced on laptops originally released in 2020, this issue has also bricked hardware outside of the warranty window, when previously users could simply send in the laptop for a free repair.

Overall, this isn't a very good look for HP, particularly its BIOS update practices. The fragility of BIOS software should have tipped off the powers at be at HP about the lack of foresight in this release model, and now we're seeing it in full force with forced, bugged BIOS updates that kill laptops.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

"qa ? Never heard of that"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

My experience when I worked in support for a device manufacturer is that if you get high enough in the support tree and can demonstrate that this effects you (and the support person will also have a matrix of affected devices) you'll still get a repair/replacement outside of warranty for them bricking your computer with a bad update.

We had a specific instance where a specific budget model of phone sold by Boost mobile would brick after a specific update for people who had subsidy unlocked it and taken it to a GSM carrier such as T-Mobile (this was shortly pre-merger) or AT&T. This update rolled out about 2.5 years after this devices release, so most customers were ~12 months outside of warranty. Since the scope of affected devices was so narrow our directions from the top was to replace affected devices regardless of warranty status, and the replacement would come with a standard 30 day replacement warranty

So in short, I would expect HP to repair/replace affected devices that bricked after this BIOS update regardless of warranty status, but I would expect some amount of hassle in terms of reaching a specific support department before you get assistance and standard refusal of service for customer induced physical damage (smashed screen, smashed ports, mashed potatoes in the ports, badly bent, etc.)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

i rarely victim-blame, but if you're buying HP anything, then yea...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I will NOT buy a Texas calculator.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

At one point they didn’t suck so much, but everything has been infected with enshittification

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

This is interesting. Not a lawyer, but I'd encourage anyone in Australia to demand a free repair under Australian Consumer Law because the company bricked the laptop. I'd guess it would fall under the Acceptable Quality consumer guarantee, since the fault was caused directly by the manufacturer.

Not sure how you'd go about proving that, but you could then just take it to your state tribunal, like VCAt in Victoria and file a small claim.

Not a lawyer, not legal advice, but something to think about if you're in this situation.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I had Windows push a bios update on my HP omen desktop. It completed the update but wouldn't get back up after restart. The fans went crazy for a moment and then it was dead. Luckily I had warranty left. They replaced processor and motherboard. Good job HP/Microsoft.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

HP is the one responsible here, Windows is just the delivery service HP uses to deliver their updates.

I’m all for hating on Microsoft, but you don’t blame the UPS driver for delivering a bomb to your house.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

What would be the solution? Re-solder some chip from the motherboard?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks for Update HP But I use Linux :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And presumably not an HP motherboard, so this doesn't really apply to you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

? I have HP probook 6570b

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

HP:

Just one extra free bit of advertising for Linux.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

What does a motherboard BIOS have to do with Windows other than that was how the update was delivered? I swear Lemmy loves to shoehorn Linux into any article that even mentions Windows.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

What does a motherboard BIOS have to do with Windows other than that was how the update was delivered?

So what does this have to do with Windows and Linux other than the fact that Linux wouldn't have a mandatory unskippable update?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

If they were running Linux the HP update utility would not be running.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Jeez, I am currently trying to install Linux on my HP ProBook and having issues with it - one thing I noticed was my bios was last updated in 2014 so I was going to see if updating helped... Might hold off on that now

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

we've had clients have their dell systems bricked from bios updates. it's not just hp.

at least dell (reluctantly) offered free repairs, even out of warranty, on those models at the time. 'repair' being motherboard swap plus shipping both ways if not covered by an onsite warranty plan.

i still have one of those 'repaired' systems here. user gave it to us years after it got fixed. it just sat, unused, once they got it back as they bought a new one due to the lengthy turnaround they were quoted.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

This happened to me on my daughters Lenovo. Got a windows update overnight. Updated while traveling in the car. Wouldn't boot. Apparently the BIOS updated and there was no fix. Had to send gor a replacement under warranty. Sent it off, took 8 weeks to get it back. Wasn't even the same serial number, just a replacement with no sdd.

load more comments
view more: next ›