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HR software biz BambooHR surveyed more than 1,500 employees, a third of whom work in HR. The findings suggest the return to office movement has been a poorly-executed failure, but one particular figure stands out - a quarter of executives and a fifth of HR professionals hoped RTO mandates would result in staff leaving.

According to the report, most employees working remotely and in-person both feel the need to demonstrate productivity, which for more than a third of employees means being seen socializing and moving around the office. That intense need to be visible may actually be harming productivity, study author and BambooHR's own head of HR Anita Grantham concluded in her findings.

A full 42 percent of employees who responded to the Bamboo survey said they show up solely to be seen by bosses and managers. If bosses think their presence in the office is making any difference to the amount of work getting done, the results indicate that's not the case.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Study shows more than 1/4 of bosses are morons that know nothing about how shit works.

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[–] [email protected] 147 points 5 months ago (8 children)

I had a friend who made a point of "needing" to go into the office an average of one day every week during the pandemic. His logic was that, if his job could be done entirely from the comfort of his living room in the suburbs, eventually the bosses would realize that it could also be done entirely from the comfort of someone else's living room in the Philippines or India.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Ya but work quality from India and Philippines is pretty bad. They aren’t equal.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

His fears happened to me. I worked a fully remote job for 5 years and ended up getting a horrible boss who worked me insane hours and liked to remind me that he could replace me with someone in India for 1/10th my salary.

I left and got a hybrid job that is 2 days in office. It pays 50% more, has a free gym, free EV charging, 30 days of vacation, and better health insurance. And I have a niche specialty so they won't be able to replace me easily. Feels much more secure.

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 5 months ago (5 children)

It's a valid point.

Most practical examples of out-sourcing has however failed to show any worthwhile savings, while working from home has shown remarkable increases in productivity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Is it valid? If they could outsource they already would have. They already have with heavy industry.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Other time zones and that makes communication difficult, so no quick IM with "by the end of the day" as that means something different over there. Different culture and way of doing things, so have to spend a lot more effort in communication being very clear. Even then they're far away where it's a lot easier to hide stuff until the hole is very deep. Travel expenses going up very quickly for a little training for a new guy. It can be so fun to work with teams in a different continent.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So scumbag execs can collect bonus for reduced cost and jump ship with their golden parachutes.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Yup - the reason most folks "go in" is to be seen, rarely to get things done. The only genuine reason to go in is if you need to talk to a lot of people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

The only reason I go in is for the free food. It's pretty good. But I'd rather have my time commuting back.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (10 children)

I am wildly unproductive when I WFH. I literally cannot focus on work tasks when I have so many more interesting things available to me to do. I’ve tried everything to make myself focus but the best I can do is maybe 3/4 hours of the day interrupted by doom scrolling or messing around on my personal desktop. My coworkers all WFH as well and seem to have no issues getting their stuff done so I’d never argue that WFH is bad for everyone but for me personally it is. I need the structure of going in the office. Thankfully my job gives us the choice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Same here. Need a teammate, a working atmosphere. Don't necessarily have to work on the same thing, but i crave a person i know also working next to me.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Your problem is a severe lack of discipline. If you need someone watching over your shoulder and putting pressure on you in order to get work done then you have a big discipline problem.

For me it’s about getting the job done. If I don’t get the job done then I’ve shown my employers that I am useless and I lose my job.

Keeping my job is about as much pressure as I need in order to be productive. For that I can put my phone down long enough to complete my tasks.

I guess I can’t relate to the concept of dragging ass all day. Aren’t you worried about losing your job? Is that not enough encouragement? Does someone else pay your bills?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I have the opposite problem. When I work at the office so much time is spent 'harmonizing' with the other workers, I get a lot less done on those days than if I had worked from home and was able to focus on my tasks.

But some people can also listen to heavy metal while working, whereas I prefer silence. 😁

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Get a different job.

For years I thought I just hated working. After I was injured at work and had some off time, I picked up a book called "Discover What You Are Best At" by Linda Gail. It helped me assess my strengths and pointed me to a job I actually enjoyed doing.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Have you tried taking your laptop to a library or coffee shop or something?

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I go in so I can find people who will eat my baked goods.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Where do you work? I'll start coming in too.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I go in to eat said baked goods ❤️

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