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Microsoft has long wanted to get vendors out of the kernel. It's a huge privacy/security/stability risk, and causes major issues like the Crowdstrike outage.

Most of those issues also apply to kernel anti-cheat as well, and it's likely that Microsoft will also attempt to move anti-cheat vendors out of kernel space. The biggest gaming issues with steamOS/Linux are kernel anti-cheat not working, so this could be huge for having full compatibility of multiplayer games on Linux.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Another nail in the coffin

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The best anticheat is whitelisting. More coop games, why does it matter if the enemy force is a computer or player? As long as the AI is good enough.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Perhaps*, this is possibly* ok in games with projectile based attacks maybe* but hitscan weapons are not fun to play against when the "player" has no aiming delay.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Clownstrike*

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

For those who can't see the writing on the wall.

Privileged access will include admin access and eventually the ability to make changes to Windows is coming to an end.

The distribution will be enshitified from the install to the updates and you wont be able to do a thing. Exactly like android, ios ect.

Microsoft are doing the opposite of what customers want. The ONLY way this changes is with real competition. If you are only familiar with Microsoft as a professional. It's no time like the present to step outside the rent seekers and see what the rest of the industry is doing.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I get this and when I used windows I've had issues with kernel level anti-viruses, but why anti-viruses before anti-cheats? Surely an AV's kernel access is more important then an AC's access?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Microsoft's biggest concern here is another Crowd Strike like event, so they're prioritizing kernel modifications that impact businesses.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

they're prioritizing kernel modifications that impact businesses.

Hence why the gamers are moving into Linux.

Being treated like a second class citizen after spending thousands of dollars on a hardware is a clown exercise.

Or letting some creeps like Satya run the rig like his own 🤢

[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I'd probably be okay with kernel level anti-cheats if they actually stopped cheaters. But they don't. Hell, the best anti-cheat I've ever seen that actually works isn't even made by the developers of the game; it's a mod! Blue Sentinel for Dark Souls 3. All it does is check if the files a player you're connecting to has deviate at all from your own, then prevents the connection if they are not 1:1 identical.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

"I’d probably be okay with kernel level anti-cheats if they actually stopped cheaters. "

"I'd be okay with espionage devices all around my house if it stopped documents from being forged."

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

All I use my machine for is gaming, so not having cheaters in games far outweighs the odds of being hacked by imaginary bogeymen.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

I am not really talking about being hacked but about anyone but you having more control over your system then you.

Maybe in your case thats very little information but I am a tech hobbyist and if i do not have full control and knowledge about every aspect of a device i bought, do i really own it?

If a consumer can’t fully own it, it shouldnt be sold as such. I considered such deeply unethical and damaging to the future potential of technology.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

If cheaters wanted to get around that, they could

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Basic anti-cheat already does this, but also with memory, because most cheats are reading/modifying what is in memory. I think the only ethical solution for anti-cheat is on the server side, with machine learning perhaps, kind of like VACnet.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Yeah and a lot of cheats know the anti cheat is checking memory so they also modify the anti cheat and essentially mess up their memory check to fool it into thinking nothing has been modified. It's just a cat and mouse game where the cheats bypass the anti cheat and the anti cheat adding more detectors.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The problem is that, with a good enough cheat, it can be impossible to distinguish from a very good player.
The best cheats use a secondary device emulating human input and reactions, which is practically undetectable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

You will never stop cheaters, ever. It's something we have to live with. It's annoying when it happens, but it's hardly the end of the world either.

So I'd rather have the AC running on the server and not invading my system.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

A secondary device can't be identified by kernel level anti-cheat either. If you have a standalone device that identifies as a USB keyboard and mouse and then generates inputs that give you a 100% headshot count, there's nothing you could detect through the kernel, since all it detects are keystrokes and clicks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm curious to see how CompTIA responds to this. They already don't allow you to take their exams in a VM or any kind of Linux. Presumably for the same "concerns" that the anti-cheat industry has.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A useless certificate for a useless job.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As a holder of multiple CompTIA certificates I wholeheartedly agree that they're useless. Unfortunately they're by far the most common means of contractors (the actual people, not the companies) checking off the boxes to qualify for U.S. government IT contracts; which means they're still relevant.

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