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When Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed the new Windows AI tool that can answer questions about your web browsing and laptop use, he said one of the “magical” things about it was that the data doesn’t leave your laptop; the Windows Recall system takes screenshots of your activity every five seconds and saves them on the device. But security experts say that data may not stay there for long.

Two weeks ahead of Recall’s launch on new Copilot+ PCs on June 18, security researchers have demonstrated how preview versions of the tool store the screenshots in an unencrypted database. The researchers say the data could easily be hoovered up by an attacker. And now, in a warning about how Recall could be abused by criminal hackers, Alex Hagenah, a cybersecurity strategist and ethical hacker, has released a demo tool that can automatically extract and display everything Recall records on a laptop.

Dubbed TotalRecall—yes, after the 1990 sci-fi film—the tool can pull all the information that Recall saves into its main database on a Windows laptop. “The database is unencrypted. It’s all plain text,” Hagenah says.⁩ Since Microsoft revealed Recall in mid-May, security researchers have repeatedly compared it to spyware or stalkerware that can track everything you do on your device. “It’s a Trojan 2.0 really, built in,” Hagenah says, adding that he built TotalRecall—which he’s releasing on GitHub—in order to show what is possible and to encourage Microsoft to make changes before Recall fully launches.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It barely matters if the database is encrypted or not. If the user has access to it, they have the keys to it, and so would anybody else with access.

The real danger is that intruders will have access to your entire history from before they had access to your machine, and it's all in one place.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

With easily searchable text, search for "bank" and get all accounts login. Yay no need to wait for the hacked user to get on his banking site he's been there before. Quick in and out without being noticed and you got all you need to empty his account. Thanks Microsoft I knew you where so helpful to hackers while making my life shittier all the while.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Every banking site I've been on jumps through all sorts of hoops to make sure the browser doesn't save the password, usually with some 2FA thrown into the mix.

But I'd imagine that a lot of older people have a helpful passwords.txt file sat smack bang in the middle of their desktop, or just use the same one for everything. I mean, we're in an age where you need a username and password to update your graphics drivers for some godforsaken reason. It's not going to be hard to find that The One True Password with access to this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I've encountered IT departments with an unencrypted passwords.xlsx file that they store on the network. Not always super small companies too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Done https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/112555262732490331

And since it lives in user space without needing nt/system, it should be as stealable over remote as any other file

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The best part of this 'hacking tool' is that it's 5 lines of Python and the rest is just fluff lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

It's just looking in a sqlite file and listing the jpeg directory. The only extra step is running icacls to let the user read the files.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Hacker tool. What a weird name for a software that shows you readily accessible data to the user.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

That was my thought when I read the title too.

I'm hoping MS pushes this "feature"; between this and the vulnerability Tenable published a few days ago, maybe some people will actually consider moving away from MS.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Who is this 4chan guy anyway?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Like you don't know it's the hacker in the white mask who created bitcoin.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

don't worry they'll cancel the whole project the instant some idiot crooked corporate executive asshole gets his incriminating data stolen and used for blackmail

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

I saw someone on mastodon say something like, "don't tell your IT department not to use recall to protect employee or customer data. Tell your legal department that all your recall data can be subpoenaed for discovery."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Why on earth aren't they encrypting the database? It could have adressed much of the criticism but they just decided to leave the whole thing completely unprotected.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

It requires full disk encryption doesn't it? If someone already has access to your account then they can access this data the same way you can. The new issue here is that this silos a load of private data in one easy to grab location. Users would have to set up the filters perfectly to prevent recall capturing anything more sensitive than what's already accessible to their account. This is in a world where many users are probably storing their passwords in a Word document on the desktop.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

It could be that anything you encrypt has to have its encryption key in some place inaccessible to these same hacker tools. If your computer uses Bitlocker, for instance, you need to enter a 6-digit code each time you turn it on.

Best guess, they had such a high expectation of "convenience" for this feature that they couldn't justify any kind of security key. Which is still a dumb explanation, obviously.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They encrypt the damn start menu and they cannot encrypt this?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yep. Trying to maintain a consistent startmenu for computer labs with Windows 11 is annoying.

The layout is stored in an encrypted file that cannot be editted directly. You have to manually setup the start menu on one profile then copy the file to all the others. This works fine for intial deployments, but is a massive pain if you need to add any other apps later.

The old powershell commandlet for importing layouts does not work in Win11. The old group policy settings don't work either. The actual DLL calls used by the end user to manually configuring the start menu are deliberatly coded to prevent being called from a script.

It is freaky how much work Microsoft has done to prevent scripting changes to the start menu.

The only officially supported method for an IT department to manage the start menu is intune, but microsoft's device licensing for intune is a mess out folks have yet to figure out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Ah, so user can't interfere with ads, hm?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Likely because there was too much CPU overhead decrypting and having the LLM query the Recall image database all dynamically

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

In the grand scheme of things, the LLM is the bottleneck, not the decryption.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I dunno, they could've kept some of it in-memory, it's just a bunch of plaintext.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So the next step is: M$ encrypts their local database.

Later they want to upload it to their servers to further exploit your data. But then it is encrypted (and of course only M$ has the key), therefore the upload will be very hard to detect.

Hmpf.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

So... how does the user actually ®ecall™ anything? Do they have to ask M$ Co-pilot™ AI to get it from The Azu®e™ Cloud? Because I'm pretty sure a hacker could do that just as easily.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What exactly can recall see? Is it just what’s on screen?

Because, if I’m like most people when I type my password, I keep my passwords hashed on the screen as I type it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Do you do any online banking? Do you ever log into any sort of health provider website? These are just two examples of a nearly infinite list of highly private information you would not want other people seeing.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

Good points. I can see a few workarounds for this.

Stop using such services on a copmputer and go back to the old way of banking, going there physically.

Most normal people won't use Linux, where could they go? Besides Windows? Chromeos? Probally not Google may copy and paste the concept of recall there. Mac os is too expensive, and Linix is complex to install. Where do normies go?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Has your company been involved in some legally dubious activities and you typed up an email concerned about your legally dubious activities before you realize sending an email could be creating a paper trail so you delete the email to talk to someone in person?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

i don't need your password if i can read your email from the screenshot it took of it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Skype used to store all history unencrypted for years after MS bought it, this seems to be a tradition of not caring enough

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

not caring ~~enough~~

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago

Now where did I leave my PowerGlove…

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