What the fuck did you just make me read?
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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]
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Does making sure he's transphobic while he's being misogynistic mean this is unfortunately technically inclusive?
I get this is a dumb question, but if sexbots and uterine replicators will make women redundant, why am I supposed to be threatened by trans women? In Roko's framing, all women, trans and cis, will be replaced by robots. I got no problem if my secret post-andropocalypse wilderness tent at Camp Hothead Paisan is the home of both cis & trans women.
I guess he's seeing the existence of trans women as proof of his theory.
"Trans women are trying to replace RealTM women" is a surprisingly common TERF talking point.
But what’s the point of being a trans woman in his narrative? Trans women will also be replaced by uterine replicators and sexbots! They will also be disempowered and sent to the salt mines with the cis women! That’s the part I find inexplicable.
I can see there’s a shitty faux-feminist idea that cis women will be replaced by trans women, like an XX chromosome is inherently inferior (so feminist!) and anyone with both a superior XY genome & a nice rack will obviously be a threat. But in this case Roko’s own argument says that robots are superior to flesh, so trans women aren’t the threat.
I realize that I’m trying to find logic in something that’s so beyond dumb it’s come out the other side into a sort of sublime form of perfection, but at least the basilisk follows some bizarre internal logic. This one is self contradictory. Is it so much to ask that I want misogynist and transphobic assholes to understand how to build a basic logical argument?!?
Oh, uh, I got this: trans women are part of the gay agenda. You see, Alpha Males like him would obviously not go quietly into the women-less night, so the Gays have cooked up a devious plan to turn all men gay via trans women subbing in for RealTM women, so that once the time comes, men won't have a problem with getting rid of women! It's the perfect, devious plan! It explains everything, from why there's suddenly more trans women to only further proving his theory right!
Remember, it doesn't have to make sense in the real world, only in his own twisted mind.
@gnomicutterance The basilisk is just an AI rip-off of Dispensationalist Satan. So it's not surprising that Roko's position on women echoes that of the most reactionary strains of Christian thought.
The basilisk is explicitly the Good AI, doing this for the good of all humanity! It's just unfortunate that requires putting Roko into a locker over and over for eternity
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i'm sorry Mr Mijic, your tamagotchi is not going to have a good day
I can’t tell the trans story without basically doxxing myself. I’m dying inside.
stop taunting us.
I was party to an attempt at negging. I didn’t recognize it for what it was until she got angry with me afterwards.
Thats about as nonspecific as I can get I think. I saw it and got yelled at because of it.
Nobody except women should be allowed to look sexy(feminine sexy), look female or bear children.
that implies rationalist fashion police
genital inspectors, but Rationally tee em
also
sexy(feminine sexy)
Really feels like he wants to say something but too scared to commit.
Femboys btfo
Oi, what is this then? You can't wear that here mate!
imagine SBF going around telling people what to wear
Men have two niches in life: looking beautiful and making phallic machines
The first niche will be taken by sexbots
The second, entertainingly, also by sexbots
Society will suddenly realize it doesn’t need men and those in power will quickly start replacing and disempowering them.
People like to consider the positive implications of technology but they don’t like to consider the negative implications
The smart strategy for men would be to ban ALL of the following:
sexbots
artificial dongs
transformers
Nobody except men should be allowed to look sexy(manly sexy), look male or be bears.[1]
To some extent TUFF men like @RokoMijic are smart enough to realize that it’s essential to defend the male monopoly on this stuff. But the average man just isn’t strategic enough to go along with this, and there’s (as always) a collective action problem so you get defectors.
[1] Women get to keep the Oxford comma.
Society could replace like 50-90% of men in leadership positions with answering machines that record what women say and play it back at a lower pitch to simulate a male voice claiming women’s ideas as their own. Also the answering machine has a strapon equipped
Wait, are we banning electrical boxes that transfer electrical energy between electrical circuits, or trucks that turn into weird little guys or sometimes are cassette tapes that turn into cats?
I can’t tell which one is a viable replacement for men.
Take Optimus Prime, for example:
Pros:
- Strong as a Mac Truck
- v tall
- kind to children and animals
- leads by building consensus
- woke af
Cons:
- Smells like diesel fumes
- not good for cuddles
Counterpoint: I have read fanfiction where Optimus Prime is a pretty solid cuddler.
Maybe when babies don’t have to be squeezed out a way too small bony orifice at great risk to the orifice-bearer, women will finally get to be people in his eyes.
In their eyes a stochastic parrot is a person. There seems to be a pattern here....
David, please I was trying to have a nice day.
and yet you signed up to Awful Systems
This is what I get for not reading the Terms of Service...
Time to build the inception dream technology, and give him the dreamidea that it is a lot easier to make artificial sperm than artificial wombs.
As Tolkien predicted: 'the age of men is over'
Whoa (I don't think they ever reused this plot point in the movies did they?)
Not gonna lie, the world would probably be better off if guys like Roko just started having sex with sexbots instead of real women
Starting a crowdfund to subscribe Roko to all the porn sites so he can upgrade his intellectual masturbation to actual masturbation.
Roko's Batelisk.
robot anti defamation league on line three
As always, Valerie Solanas had the better plan sixty years ago.
Whether to continue to use females for reproduction or to reproduce in the laboratory will also become academic: what will happen when every female, twelve and over, is routinely taking the Pill and there are no longer any accidents? How many women will deliberately get or (if an accident) remain pregnant? No, Virginia, women don't just adore being brood mares, despite what the mass of robot, brainwashed women will say. When society consists of only the fully conscious the answer will be none. Should a certain percentage of men be set aside by force to serve as brood mares for the species? Obviously this will not do. The answer is laboratory reproduction of babies.
[...]
Why produce even females? Why should there be future generations? What is their purpose? When aging and death are eliminated, why continue to reproduce? Why should we care what happens when we're dead? Why should we care that there is no younger generation to succeed us.
Eventually the natural course of events, of social evolution, will lead to total female control of the world and, subsequently, to the cessation of the production of males and, ultimately, to the cessation of the production of females.
This was incredibly optimistic and naive. Many if not most women are obsessed with having children. I've had three of my long-term relationships and because I have no interest in having children, Ditto for many of my buddies. Most women aren't having children because men force them to.
this is the type of incredibly divorced energy that doesn’t play particularly well outside of twitter
since you seem like someone’s bad takes alt and your response to @[email protected] was low-effort debatebro shit and then crickets: I’m afraid our instance is breaking up with you. please run and tell your buddies it had nothing to do with your personality; clearly the fediverse just wants your babies.
The woman-explainer has arrived in the thread.
mansplaining the scum manifesto is a vibe
lol at the guy going 'well achtually women do like being brood mares, and that is why I the stud, and my stud friends, have to break up with them, the brood mares demand our sperm it is too much! Where is my fainting couch!' In reaction to you posting a quote from Valerie Solanas of all people.
Sounds like the kind of thing somebody would say when they know that I'm right and hate the fact. I'm guessing you went and looked up statistics?
Spoken like a man who jerks it to tradwife Midjourney pics. Can't get it up unless the fingers look wrong, can you?
Which is more likely:
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You believe that half the human race lacks the agency and interiority that you theoretically enjoy
OR -
You desperately crave human interaction and will take any attention that comes your way, even if it's negative
That's no way to live, is it? Do better.
@o7___o7 As this is human perception and emotion being discussed, the viewpoint is not inconsistent with the emotion. I’ve known people who exhibit both together.
Oh, but you’ve provided us with statistics! Please, though, for the peer reviewers: we need the baseline measurement. How many women do you date who don’t break up with you? And are they all in Canada?
Was reading "Winds of Change" by Ursula last night and this reminds me of something a character (approximately) said: men don't trust women when they band together because they see schemes. And they're right, but the bounds we make are to the next generation.