I’m assuming one would still be able to switch to a local account after installation, but you really shouldn’t need to. What a shit show.
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Luckily m$ didn't block option to install Linux by permanently enable secure boot and lock bootloader right?
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I love how there is an entire group of people who think it’s perfectly normal to “fight” the company that makes the OS they use.
(This message brought to you by the Linux gang.)
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Wouldn’t it be possible to buy a new PC, open the box, and return it right after because you cannot set it up without internet?
If enough people do it, may be PC manufacturers will force Microsoft to add offline setups.
Funny you say that, setting it up without internet is one of the few ways left to still be able to create a local account.
If I understand correctly from the article, you have to enter ‘OOBE\BYPASSNRO’ in command prompt during installation to prevent it from asking to connect to internet. If that’s the only way to set up a local account, that’s hardly an accessible option.
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I've heard you can use a cheap local RADIUS server to establish a local domain. Anyone attempt this?
Having to do the meta-workaround of running another computer to make your computer usable is just...don't get me wrong, I love running infrastructure, but that seems like it should be unnecessary just to use a computer.
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Back in the day, using Windows was essentially a long series of fucking around with configurations and trying different workarounds to get things to "go". The actual using of the computer was, in a way, secondary.
Nothing has changed. Many many years ago I bought a used Apple to try it out and was just - astounded at how little I needed to mess with things to get them to do what I wanted. It was all in settings. That's it.
Watching Microsoft leap headfirst into full evil is just like watching the seasons change.
So you've obviously never had to use defaults write com.apple.stupidpreference.fix bool true
Apple has a lot less nonsense than Microsoft, but the amount of nonsense is greater than zero. What's really annoying (on their mobile platform specifically) is when certain problems occur on iOS that would have been completely solvable on MacOS with a command line tool, but you have to erase the phone because Apple doesn't give you access to the OS.
MacOS is already deprecating the Keychain access tool, which will obfuscate more of the OS security from the user and make it more iOS-like in trying to fix failures.
Apple is enshittifying in absence of Jobs, they're just behind Microsoft by one or two decades.
Mm hmm.
And y'all say that linux users don't value their time... smh
Hahaha! I've been dabbling in live USB thumbdrive copies of various flavors of Linux to see which one I want to go to for a while. Did a few years back and thought, "you know, my time is worth something to me, maybe I'll give Windows a go, 10 seems pretty stable."
Booted up Debian Cinnamon, couldn't get two-finger right click to work on the Synaptics config out of box, it had a few arbitrary prefs for whatever the devs decided people would probably use. Tried Debian Gnome. It had trackpad settings that were more in line with what I expected... Not giving up, but it did make me pause, because I know one can reconfigure the trackpad driver under the hood, but did I really want to jump down the rabbit hole of bespoke shellscripts again just so my audio driver correctly wakes from sleep (if it can even successfully sleep)?
Other funny to figure out, the computer has iGPU and dGPU, both were active and the battery life was maybe 2 hours. Another thing to figure out with bespoke configurations.
So it's like, Windows and Linux (and lesser, MacOS) pain is definitely there, it is just kinda what kind of pain do you want to subscribe to? Linux pain will probably only occur during initial setup and maybe every few years when a major OS release comes out. MacOS pain is even more rare, unless a major OS release comes out with something you don't like and you have to find where in the OS frameworks the feature is to disable it, if they have hooks in which to do. Windows pain is....every Tuesday.
"Oh here's a new lock screen weather widget"
"Oh cool, I can get on board with that!"
Next week:
"Oh, here's a new stocks and news widget to go along with the weather."
"Hold on there buddy, I didn't sign up for the first and you've pushed two more? Time to shut those two off. Oh, it's all or nothing, thanks! Nothing it is."
"Don't worry, we'll reinstall Dev Home next week and flag it a system app so you can't uninstall it, and then we'll force Copilot to be present, and then we're going to screw with the start menu, and then we're going to delete WordPad, and reinstall all those Office/cloud 365 shim apps and and and." That was like, last month.
In them days Linux was even more about messing around with configurations and finding workarounds. It came on floppies, and as it loaded it made these kind of grinding, farting sounds. We would install it with an onion tied to our belt - which was the style at the time.
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I’ve been debating for a while to switch windows to Linux and see how well it works for my games, thanks Microsoft for finally pushing me to do it!
Only thing keeping me on windows has been games (all other development use is far easier on Linux); but with the work that happened with Steam Deck, many games are now fully functional on Linux.
For me, working in IT, two things are keeping me on Windows:
- games
- IT tools only made for Windows.
Most remote access stuff is entirely Windows based. Sure, there's clients so you can connect to Linux, Mac, whatever, from the admin console, but the plugins and whatnot that actually show you the remote users desktop are almost entirely Windows exclusive. There's sometimes a Mac option, but almost never a Linux option.
Using something that's more common/public, like TeamViewer isn't really an option. There's a plethora of business focused RMM tools that are just web apps with Windows plugins for all the heavy lifting.
The part that gets me, is that any of these tools which allow for self hosting, can have the server and client side on Linux, but the IT team doing the work only gets Windows as an option for the remote control tools.
Infuriating.
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Most steam games just work. Make sure to go to settings and compatibility and let it use compatibility for all games. Look at something like bottles for a front-end to let you set up and use wine / proton for other launchers, etc….
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Did the same. The writing has been on the wall for a long time, Microsoft's anti-user behavior is only set to get worse. I made the jump to Linux (Arch) and things have been reasonably smooth. I did have a few issues with Enshrouded, but was able to get past those with Proton-GE. The only issue I haven't worked around yet is Roblox with the kids. But, I may just have to pick up a cheap tablet for that.
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Depending on what games you are playing, it should be a breeze. I ditched my windows installation last march and no regrets so far. Most of the games I enjoy run OOB in Linux, but some that I played occasionally are not supported, so I just live without them.
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Do people avoid Chromebooks for the same reason?
And like that, they just ensured I'm never moving on from 10.
M$ be like, fine, we didn't want you anyway
They say, until they start crying about "unsecured devices" that they assume all contribute to malware footprints despite all of the hold-outs I know having comprehensive A/V solutions lmfao
That dude who predicted Windows 12 being a cloud OS was probably dead on the money.
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