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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

more free market will solve this.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

"Mandatory national service". Sure, and I'm certain that the same Conservative governments that famously underfund everything in the military will surely fund this adequately.

After all, nothing's going to make you love your country like being conscripted and having to take a year off when you're on the verge of incurring massive amounts of debt, with no chance of owning a home and no employment prospects. Does this "Mandatory national service" include paying conscripts? Because I'll bet it doesn't.

Tell you what, let's conscript the Boomers. After all, they've already made out like bandits, have a fuck-on of equity and significantly less debt and a ton of time on their hands. Hell, it'd even free up jobs that Boomers are clinging to like fucking limpets to a rock. Let's see how much they "Love Canada" then when they have to take an unpaid year off for it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You know what? I do hate Canada. Canada is really a creation of it's government, after all, not of the people, and they've proven to be wildy avaricious to their citizens.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There's nothing more Canadian than hating the federal government.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Canadian government just wants mindless drones. They care about the general population as a resource.

If they cared, they wouldn't have let things get like this, and they would actively be pursuing ways to make things better.

Edit: I should add voting reform would have been massive if the liberals followed through with that. As it stands now from my personal perspective, it's the wealthy and powerful vs the general population.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

We're going to reform the voting process! Wait, we won? Never mind the process works great!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

What, you mean people wouldn't want to potentially for for a country that abandoned them before service and had a history of doing so after?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Maybe if the mandatory service were installing fiber to rural areas the way we managed to get copper out there or dealing with infrastructure (especially water and schools) in Indigenous and remote communities. Maybe health care or emergency response.

But guns and bombs? No thanks.

Also, I'm old enough to be exempt by any rational measure. If it came to a vote, my vote shouldn't be counted.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or building socialized housing πŸ˜οΈπŸ› οΈ

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Yes, that too!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad I'm starting to get to be old enough to be exempt for any mandatory national service but damn if that wouldn't make this country worse overall.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I agree. I'm also not a huge fan of rebranding "military conscription" as "national service". There have been people talking about "national service" in ways that specifically excluded military service. This feels like yet another case of the right stealing a term from the left and redefining it to suit themselves. It's something they have been doing with national and religious symbols and slogans forever as a way to hide their true intentions.

One thing I find particularly concerning is that military conscription has generally been reserved for invasion or active defense. What are they not telling us?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I thought it was the UK Conservative party suggesting that, it's happening at the same time in Canada too?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

According to the article it’s the UK but Nat Post has jumped on it

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

According to the article the conservative party in Canada has also suggested it, in order to fix the "hate" young Canadians are starting to have for Canada.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Young Canadians don’t hate Canada; they hate the boneheaded ideas thought up in Parliament and they hate that they’ve been priced out of owning a part of Canada.

If you don’t have a voice or land, and see no hope that you ever will, why would you be happy with how things are?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

they hate the boneheaded ideas thought up in Parliament

Such as this bonehead "national service" idea that a few conservative parliamentarians are suggesting?

This idea isn't one coming from the NDP or Liberals.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

This is the first I've heard of it, but apparently Canada's Conservatives are interested. Conservatives always seem to have an ear out for the worst ideas from each other.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How about we just tax the hell out of the rich people and billionaires in the country and use their money to pay for all our problems?

Then we can talk about national service after if that doesn't work

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Could take back the 18B of tax credits, interest free loans and grants given to the oil and gas sector last year?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Who said anything about love? The government just wants them to shut up and obey orders.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Does the mandatory national service pay $30+/hour, with raises if you stay voluntarily after the mandatory period is finished? That might do it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah, that was my first thought. If it was a guaranteed well-paying career like it used to be maybe it would change the mood in here. Otherwise, no, it's just a way to have a less pathetic military.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

$30/h today and still $30/h 20 years from now and they'll wonder why people are upset again.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Classic "our model doesn't work anymore for some reason". How about instead of pay we try to "modernize" it with [insert buzzword]?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Let’s modernize it with AI that will get the kids interested.

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