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The whole article is quite funny, especially the lists of most used tankie words, or the branding of foreignpolicy as a left-wing news source.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (8 children)

"Thus, tankie is now used to describe much more than the set of communists who supported specific events from the Soviet era. The term tankie now covers communists who support “actually existing socialist countries” (AES); especially those with a Stalinist or authoritarian leaning. Although there is not really a concrete definition, recent work by Petterson [ 94] provides a succinctdescription of tankie:

Tankies regard past and current socialist systems as legitimate attempts at creating communism, and thus have not distanced themselves from Stalin, China etc. "

Yes, well recognized, the term is vague and can mean everything or nothing. It does not make sense. There are people who see only the Soviet Union as a successful workers' revolution, but not the rest. For some, China represents revisionism, so does Vietnam, or North Korea, or Cuba, etc. I've met people who are all about Enver Hoxha, everything else is revisionism. That is such an enormous range of different views, yet they are all tankies. I've witnessed Trotskyites beeing called tankies because they are against NATO.

To work with such a stupid definition is absolute nonsense. I myself have been called a tankie often enough, because I keep pointing out that the term has no substance in historical and political discourse. I even never discussed something political. Pointing out, that this term is stupid is enough to be a tankie - my experience.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The authors are not qualified to speak on this professionally seeing their degrees and expertise is in tech and computer science, not political science or philosophy.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

holy shit you weren't joking, if you ctrl+f lemmygrad we appear in it lmao

edit: I still can't believe this is real, which one of you wrote this paper??

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We made it comrades, we're going to get banned from flights

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (7 children)

no but it's the funniest thing, it was written by 2 randos from some backwater uni in new york state (not the city), and a third co-author from Cyprus (??? why), and published on arxiv.org which is:

a free distribution service and an open-access archive for 2,294,594 scholarly articles in the fields of physics, mathematics, computer science, quantitative biology, quantitative finance, statistics, electrical engineering and systems science, and economics. Materials on this site are not peer-reviewed by arXiv.

Meaning they found whoever would publish them without asking questions.

Like this thing says the word tankie 71 times, which is an average of 2.5 per page, of course they would not have been published anywhere else lol. If I was their uni honestly I would give these students a talking to because it would reflect really badly on my reputation to let them publish this drivel.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Actually, the authors of this are professors from that university, lmao.

They were even given some grants and awards.

Arxiv and similar services are mostly used in actual academic circles to publish pre-prints or just to get articles out there while they're still being reviewed by actual journals, so it's possible that this will be published in a journal at some point.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Cringe compilation: Apparently you can measure how toxic comments are on a graph. This says we are racist against almost every race besides Native Americans. It says Vaush isn't leftist (true) but then calls his subreddit "far-left."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What's the difference between toxicity and severe toxicity

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

poisonous: if it bites you, you die

toxic: if you bite it, you die

severely toxic: my mother in law after a couple beers yes Dana I remember the christmas party

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It relies on this website to calculate both.

The measurements still seem somewhat subjective. You can test how "toxic" comments are here: https://perspectiveapi.com/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

they don't know us very well if they think a disrespectful comment is going to make us leave a conversation

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

My comments are so toxic that if you print them and ingest them you'll likely die.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Can't post the image because of the maintenance but basically we are the biggest Marxist forum, since the other web sites are stuff that's mostly not even Leninist, stuff like marxist.org, archive.vn, and news sites.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

tankies focus more on state-level political events

In other words, the authors have no idea what they're talking about. We're abstracting to the level of classes, not states. Maybe they focused on the intellectually deprived western Marxist discourse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Maybe they mean we talk more about imperialism and geopolitics than identity politics?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Really did feel like a deliberate missing of the whole point, didn't it? Felt like a lot of their data stripped out any context that the posts they were 'analyzing' had; and drew deliberately-misleading takes from their sanitized data. Like, do you know any marxists who make a habit of attacking muslims? Meanwhile, most of the takedowns I see of Amerikans squawking about 'muh chingchang'(i've deadass heard a white person pronounce it that way; imagine these crackers actually learning how to pronounce 'Xinjiang') winds up boiling down to "Oh yeah, 'cause the country that spent fifteen years murdering muslims wholesale in the middle-east, and leaving depleted uranium in the sand to mutate their babies really cares about the Muslims in Xinjiang allasudden."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Great points. If they bothered to do any actual analysis, though, they wouldn't have been able to reach the conclusion that we're extremists. "People who think the US should stop provoking and prosecuting wars that displace and kill millions" and "people who think children shouldn't starve" don't have the same ring as "far left extremism"; it wouldn't let them do the enlightened centrist, 'all extremes are bad'.

Jfc, chingchang? They can't even hide their racism when their trying to pretend they're not racist. These will be the same people who depict Xi as Winnie the Pooh while criticising the CPC's approach to Xinjiang and pretend that they don't see the racist connotations. Wankers.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hell yeah good job everybody

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

These are rookie numbers; gotta pump that up

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