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WP: US concerned about Ukrainian strikes on early-warning radars on Russian soil, official says (kyivindependent.com)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Just the way this is going to go I guess. Ukraine has to fight with one hand tied behind their back, because the US says so, because appeasement like that always works when autocrats invade sovereign nations... Imagine in the late 1930s the UK ordering, lets say Poland, to not set foot on German soil and only fight in Poland because otherwise (gasp) we might make Hitler really mad and he might do something crazy. So too bad for you Poland, but we'll just have to adandon support for you if you attack inside Germany, just how these things go...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There weren't nukes then. The world doesn't work that way anymore.

I agree with you. Let's kick these fuckers back to Moscow, then kick em some more, but there are smarter people than you and I working on this. So far, it isn't because Biden lacks the stones to do it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah. These governments could be acting in bad faith or they may have a shit ton of non public info which is making them act this way.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"I know they started a war against you but if you fight back they'll get really mad." Why would Ukraine care?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Because they care about the west supporting them. That’s it, that’s literally the entire reason. That and they don’t have the capability without western support. (To some extent yes, but not really in the ‘precision-guided-munitions’ department)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I hope the Ukraine goes ahead and just takes over Russia.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

the Ukraine It is just Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The funniest thing I can imagine is that a former comedian conquer Russia.

They deserve it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I mean their current guy is a joke.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"Concerned" is pretty much the most mild-mannered diplo speak there is. Personally, I am not concerned about statements of concern.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I remember when America would swing their dick around and go out of their way to give Russia the middle finger.
Now they want to do this mean girls high school bullshit and pretend to be civil first?
Fuck that.
The United States needs to grow some fucking balls and tell Putin to his face that his radar is disappearing because they wanted to fuck around in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The US would also like to not get nuked by Putin, which is why they haven't directly entered the war.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is such a weird restriction. Vietnam was a proxy war between the US and the Soviets, and both had boots on the ground. Nobody was particularly concerned this would cause WW3. Why is Ukraine different? Of course, I am not advocating a fully armed confrontation, but Western elite troops that can mark targets, take out key operatives, and direct troops? I don’t see the issue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

US weapons weren't landing on strategic Russian assets inside territory that Russia claimed as it's own. That's why no one was overly concerned about nuclear escalation or WW III.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Here I am talking about Western troops that would be active in Ukraine, not Russia.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If the state of Russia's nuclear arsenal is anything like the rest of their military the US really doesn't have much to worry about.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

So if MOST of their nuclear weapons don't work, how many nukes hitting the US would you say is okay? Because while it's pretty safe to assume some, maybe even many of their nukes don't function properly, it's a bit much to assume none of them work, and it's a bit much to gamble a few million lives on the idea that none of the ones that do work will actually get through.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Or that the world would be hurt even if all of them fail before reaching their targets, or even failing in the silos (best case).

We have enough cancerous shit in our environment as it is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

eat that fear sandwich. it's nothing but good for you!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Condemnation seems to be very mild too. Maybe by the 8th or 9tn round of sanctions some may feel offended

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The very first thing we would do on a bombing campaign is to take out their radar.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Indeed. They have received F16s. They are useless if Ukraine cannot take out aerial defences on Russian soil. Why is this even a discussion?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because that will be a massive escalation that will certainly draw significant retaliation from Russia that could spill over into a full fledged conflict with NATO.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

yeye sure, and then russia will use their nuclears as they've threated every wednesday in the past 2 years.