Here's what I use:
- LGBT+ most formal (and old fashioned)
- LGBTQ+ less formal
- "people" most inclusive
this post was submitted on 06 Feb 2024
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I treat them as normal people and don’t refer to them at all. They’re no different than anyone else in any way and shouldn’t be excluded or included as a result of their sexual identity.
This is all fine and dandy, but if you can't name a minority group, then they are effectively forgotten. It's not true that they are "no different than anyone else" otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. When it comes to diversity and inclusion, you want to be able to identify and name the groups you're trying to include.
In a normal world, there’s no need for groups. We’re all just people. No one is an exception- no one is special. To me, they are the same as eveone else.
Just people.
Well, we don't live in that magical world and minorities still need support to avoid discrimination.
Treated the same, or treated special…. Pick one.
Personally, I don’t think anyone is excluded. And won’t treat someone differently just because others do. Everyone is equal in my world. Who you love is no business of mine. If others make it so- that’s not something I should adjust for.
Do as you wish.
That's the different between equality and equity. When you treat me and women "the same" you get the current pay gap. So you need positive discrimination to correct for that. One day we won't need it, I hope.
As an alphabet person I’m trying to reclaim the term. I think it’s great!
why not just use "sexual minorities"?
Gender and sexual minorities is more complete. Trans and non-binary identities are not sexual minorities.
Am also a boring, (getting) old white bloke: is something like "rainbow folk" not appropriate?
I know the Wear It Purple day organisers refer to kids who are questioning/curious as "rainbow kids" (at least, that's what a trans coworker told me they called them).
Edit: honestly, it'd just be nice if we didn't have to label people at all. Y'know - everyone's a human deserving of dignity and respect, no matter where they come from, how they look, what they believe in, and who they love.
But, again, I get that I'm a boring old white bloke, and it's probably a lot easier for me to say this than it is for those folks who feel oppressed/suppressed in some way. I just wish it weren't the case.
honestly, it'd just be nice if we didn't have to label people at all.
Hear hear!
To be totally honest, that's somewhat my sentiment for wanting to do something. Some other commenter thanked me for my attitude ... I feel weird about that, because I think of it as respectful common decency towards my fellow humans.
I really like the rainbow word though, it's not as gringe as the letter combinations, not as potentially offensive as some of the words rainbow folks self apply, and it still get the meaning across while being inclusive of all.
"Queer" works.
Everyone between age 30 and 60 will accept the label immediately.
Some people under the age of 30 will get offended but they're the kind of people who like getting offended so you can safely ignore them.
Some people over the age of 60 will get offended but who cares, they're about to get dementia anyway.
Can I respectfully ask, what's the definition of queer as opposed to lesbian, gay, bi, trans or intersex? As in, why is it included in the acronym? Does it have a specific meaning that isn't covered by the other terms?
"Queer" is a catchall term. It specifically does not have a specific meaning. It's meant for people who do not fit into the cishet idea of gender, but also don't fall neatly into the L, G, or B of LGBT.
"Queer" technically encompasses the L, G, and B too. Anything outside of cishet "norm". A fully straight metrosexual could consider himself queer.
Plus its one of the letters in the growing acronym.
I use the term "queer" to describe myself because my sexual identity (which is something like bisexual or pansexual) and my neurodivergence have made me something of a cultural outcast throughout most of my life. I don't really "fit in" with most people, and "queer" describes that experience pretty succinctly.
To the person you are responding to, I am cautious about using this word too broadly because some people have specific trauma around this word. Bigots often wield the word like a weapon, so people who are subjected to that and don't have adequate supports to deal with that trauma can get offended by it. I don't think we should so flippantly dismiss that. It works for me. It doesn't work for others.
I think there's something to be said for not self-censoring due to the potential of someone's personal trauma. Respectfully, some random person's issues are not my problem and should not affect my ability to identify myself or others, as long as I'm not doing so in a mean spirited way. If words cause you mental issues, you should work on that with a therapist. I will not coddle you.
I tried “you people” but for some reason it didn’t go too well.
GSRM
Gender, sexual, romantic minority.
GRRM
A Song of Inclusion and Diversity
I go with lgbt. Those who know all the letters, know all the letters. Those who don't will make fun of you for listing out more letters.
I'm not saying lgbtqia2s+ fuck no. It's cringe af
As an lgbtqia+ person, I say screw 2S. That's so silly.
What about "rainbow people"? I kinda like it, the letters can quickly become unmarketable cringe while still not include everyone.
Strong no to rainbow people or alphabet people from me - it's the sort of thing a homophobic person would say to be dismissive of us. I use "queer", but I think this is location dependent. Where I'm from in the UK, people don't use "queer" as an insult (but rather they use "fag" or "gay") but in other places it has a different history.
I think the main thing is that you are being polite and specifically asking for input so your heart is in the right place. If you are speaking (rather than typing), I believe people will hear that you are being sincere and not dismissive even if you use the 'wrong' word.
Final suggestion: LGBTeeple (contraction of LGBT people) because it's funny.
Copy that, is it the rainbow or the people part? Because "people" was just a placeholder to avoid having this thread pop up if someone googles my future message.
I like your portmanteau, but I think that my target audience is either without the English literacy level to decode it, or with just enough to recognize it as "LGBT sheeple".
While realizing that I will never find the perfect term that will convey my message, while not rubbing someone the wrong way, I will continue my search.
I don't really know what it is about "rainbow people" that I don't like. To me, it makes an image in my head of a hillbilly shouting "dang nabbit, these god-darn rainbow people are invadin our schools and touchin our childun!". Maybe it sounds like they didn't want to dignify with a proper name and so described us as rainbow people because we all wear rainbows. But also it could just be my brain making weird connections
I agree that in an effort to be as inclusive as possible we have created a completely unmarketable acronym. That matters because we are still having to defend our very existence to a lot of people whose bigotry is being gathered up and weaponized politically against us.
The LBGTQ : pronounced The luh-buh-guh-tuh-quah
The alphabet mafia
Or the southern version : all y'all
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