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For some it'll probably take til his fourth
Wait, you think that will convince them?
They'll just turn around and go "well FDR had FOUR..."
That's just maga. I suspect Trump "winning" a third term and the events leading up to it will convince a substantial amount. Maybe not a majority, the only thing you can be sure of when dealing with americans is that they will always disappoint.
I mean America is a fascist regime. And you know who support fascism? Fascists. So I guess most fascists are kinda OK with what's happening.
That's not denial, that's full endorsement.
This argument will just give the fascist leverage to call you a fascist. They are pros at projection and sadly you dont stand a chance.
I think the line between a liberal democracy and fascism is much blurrier than most people think. I suspect the transition from one to the other, going in either direction, is entirely dependent on how much internal forces threaten the ruling capitalist class.
Right now, I think the US is on the decline but hasn’t yet experienced a crisis which really threatens the power of the capitalist class. Fascists seeking power therefore need to manufacture crises in order to accumulate power. That’s where I think the US is at right now.
However, I’m not sure how well it will really work. Democratic state leaders are effectively demonstrating that the existing law enforcement structures are perfectly capable of violently cracking down on dissent. So if you’re a wealthy capitalist, why would you push your bought and paid for judges and politicians to make Trump president for life? It seems like a needlessly risky move in my opinion.
That said, we can only say that the rich will operate rationally to protect their own interests on average. Individually, they can be wildly erratic like Elon Musk has proven to be. As such, the more wealth is concentrated into fewer and fewer hands, the less predictable the outcomes are.
True, fascism is the ultimate weapon that capitalists use in reaction to labor movements and class consciousness gaining strength. In fact, I’d argue that given modern advances in communication technology, which allow people to communicate and organize easier than ever, a fascist swing was almost inevitable.
It’s a shame that western world leaders don’t like dialectic materialism. We might have identified the problem before it seized power.
Resistance comes in more forms than just screaming and punching like a child. You need to educate people and organize them.
You need to educate people
Um, the fascists are cutting the dept of education...
How long will people
The Gestapo could be hauling them away in cuffs and putting them away in camps and some will just go "why is this happening to me? there must be some mistake"
Anyone who is still on the fence is either only tuned into propaganda or is incapable of reasoning.
Pull ICE masks, I would let them shoot me just to protect the person they're abducting, fckn nazi's, u wanna shoot an american citizen and make me a martyr? be my guest and see what'll happen
Fine I'll be your guess but don't get uppity with me
The answer is nothing, at first. If enough people start doing it though, shits gonna get real pretty fast.
funny how you never hear from the "cold dead hands" guys when tyranny actually happens
that's what my ex wife called me
that’s what my ex wife called me
Thats strange, she called me "warm lively hands"
"good morning cold dead hands 😘"
You can be certain that a lot of concealed carry leftist will actively respond if something like this happens near/to them.
i hope so, but the people I'm referring to aren't leftists. they're the people who oppose any and all regulation and cite being able to defend against tyranny as the ostensible reason.
yet when this shit happens they're awfully quiet. because they're full of shit and fucking love tyranny.
Lol
Lmao even
Rofls4realz
For real! People are just so fucking stupid.
Generally people in America don’t get organized until there’s a disaster. That’s one of the lessons of the Great Depression/New Deal. Not the most optimal way to maintain democracy. It’s not really “maintenance” if you wait for the thing to break and then fix it.
That’s a pretty classic Marxist understanding of how class conflict actually happens. In response to a crisis a state can either adapt or fall into chaos if it can’t. That’s essentially what happened during the new deal era and the civil war respectively. Although arguably the external threats of WWII allowed the US to adapt rather than fall apart.
Ah, the American method in action!