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How long will people be in denial that america is now a fascist regime? You all really going to wait until trumps third term until you come to terms with it, arent you? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Is your goal that we should just.. not say this is illegal? Not argue that it's not okay? Literally fold and accept fascism?

Because that seems to be the narrative you're pushing, which is the polar opposite of constructive in this situation.

Super weird and suspect that every thread seems to be full of people saying this is normal. That this is just how it is, that it's been going on forever, and that anyone who has an issue with it is being unrealistic. Really, really weird. Almost like they're cryptofascists.

HMMMMMMMM.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Seems like you totally misunderstood the OP. Like, you understood the exact opposite of what they wrote.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Me?

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[+] [email protected] -18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What strikes me about the covid epidemic was how obedient people were. It showed that it was possible to shut down whole societies on a global scale. It was a real crisis that provided an unexpected opportunity for mass propaganda. Political strategists surely took notice. It must have looked possible then to submit a whole population into fascism and that's what we're seeing now. Real power is with the people though. It lays dormant and it merely needs to be awakened by a timely spark.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They’re following a playbook that is about 100 years old though. This is nothing like Covid.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What? The fact people are willing to protect themselves from a harmful disease is evidence we can be brainwashed? Brains got washed, but they are not the ones you think that got "cleaned". You think it is strange that people followed guidelines put out by professionals in their fields as some form of brainwashing? That's funny, and sad. It's why we put those people in those positions, unlike now, where you have people going against experts and governing by "feelings". This is such a fucking terrible timeline...

[+] [email protected] -9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wrote that it was a real crisis and I didn't use the term "brainwash". The fact that people complied to official guidelines is of course a good thing in the event of a pandemic. But there was also overshooting. Not everything made sense. And there was definitely a lack of critical thinking and an absence of open debate. But my point is that it was apparently possible to create a high degree of conformity from above, a useful insight when you're trying to eradicate democracy and supplant it by fascism. How else would you explain the ease of what has been described as a coup for the past 5 months?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A life threatening, highly contagious epidemic, is NOT the time for "open debate"! Sheesh, this wins today's "Stupidest comment on the Internet" award.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

You just proved why "an open debate" and "critical thinking" among people who have no clue at all are pretty bad ideas during a pandemic.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Oh my god, do we get to bully a covid denier in the year of our lord, 2025? That shit is old news, man. You're like 4 years out of date.

Getting the vaccine if you are able is your civic duty. Not to your country, but to your fellow people. Your grandmother. The fact that you're scared of a needle I think just kinda makes you a coward. Where is your bravery? You're not getting any more apple tarts if you let your grandma die.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Early on, when the disease was just starting to spread, an absolutely critical time during a pandemic, nobody knew whether any of the crap you just spouted, was applicable. Just the people who gained their medical qualifications from Fox News, and thought they knew more than the actual experts, were excreting your kind of argument. NOBODY had been "exposed and recovered" at that time, fool. Conspiracy theorists have NO place in public health discourse. You, and your ignorant ilk, are the reason so many people died unnecessarily.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My gf at the time spent a month in bed as a result of COVID. She was hallucinating about dead family members for a week in the middle. Fuck off with your "fat or had pre-existing conditions, most of which are fully controlled by diet or exercise." She's certainly not overweight and had no pre-existing conditons, nor was she elderly. Go fuck yourself until you have worn your fuck stick down to a nub and have no more fucks to give, you ignorant piece of shit of a person.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Our perceptions of the covid pandemic wildly differ

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You must have not experienced covid in the United States. All I saw here was a hectic shitshow full of scores of people utterly rejecting any semblance of disease guidance - going so far as doing the opposite of whatever the institutions recommended. Then there were a few redeeming groups who decided to play ball - not out of obedience, but out of love and respect for vulnerable groups.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I am indeed from Europe, where streets were at times completely empty and at other times you had to walk in designated lanes. Mask mandates everywhere and unvaccinated people were ostracized.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If such a tiny thing like wearing a mask is too much to ask from you, your opinion is not worth shit in this debate.

It means you can't even accept minor inconveniences to save the lives of yourself or others.

If you are so incredibly egotistic, and so incredibly short sighted that you can't even do that, your opinion is obviously garbage and not worth listening to.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As they should be.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Call your rep - demand Israel pay reparations for attacks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

lol

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Is it legal in the US to shoot people who are trying to kidnap you?

I mean, anyone can go around claiming to be law enforcement or ICE or whatever, but with no badge or ID, how are people supposed to know that this isn't a gang trying to trafic them?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

In vast majority of states there is a stand-your-ground law in place, which means you're explicitly allowed to use deadly force if you reasonably believe that you're defending yourself from a violent crime, and in minority there is a duty to retreat while outside of your home or workplace, which means that you still are allowed to use deadly force, but you have to try to retreat first, and only use force if you are reasonably sure that you can't run away.
Kidnapping by a group of people in plain clothes in an unmarked van is explicitly stated as an example of a case where use of deadly force is permitted by law.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm pretty sure self defence doesn't apply against law enforcement, even if you don't know they are law enforcement.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

you're almost there

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think that would count as self defence.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

but would the court?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Cracks me the fuck up the rest of the world thinks this now.

This has been the case since Bush passed Citizens United and it was even happening before that. RIP Rosenbergs.

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