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Do Italian kids pronounce spaghetti like bisgetti or buhsgetti the way Americans do?
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this post was submitted on 27 Jan 2024
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"Thank you" and "bullshit" are pretty close in American Sign Language.
It happens!
Thank you and bitch are much closer. At least the way I learned bullshit involved two hands.
No, we don't.
I can't say this with 100% certainty, but Italians migrated to America at the end of the 19th century. And they did so from the poorer south. So I've heard that American Italian communities speak Italian like modern day grandparents. Here's an article on why American Italians pronounce cappacola gabagol.
I always thought the mispronunciation was more of a puhscetti than a buhsgetti
I've encountered both. The two I mentioned got the point across.
The pronunciations you have in your head are mispronunciations that some children & uneducated people use.
Yes, that's why OP is asking if Italian children make similar mispronunciations. Like is it an artifact of learning a word that sounds like that in general or of learning it in the context of English specifically?
We say spuhghetti around these parts.
I feel like I'm misunderstanding the joke though.
They're talking about when young Italian kids are first learning the word do they mispronounce it the same way.
I'm just confused on the buh part. I've never heard anyone pronounce it like that.
think someone under 7 years old
A 6-year old? Sounds more like a 3-year old...lol
shit idk, i avoid kids.
From what I remember the last time I heard an Italian kid mispronounce spaghetti they just skipped the s so the result was paghetti.
Heh. When my daughter was small, she could say spaghetti, but also added the initial "s" to baguette, making it a "spaguette" .
We're German, by the way, so we frequently eat both.
Surely they must do? Like kids are not going to find certain sounds like 'sp' easier depending on what country they're from but maybe the sounds they learn first with be different?
Kids do in fact have an easier time pronouncing syllables they hear about them. And from about age 3 it starts going downhill. At 9 it’s near impossible to learn to speak a new language without accent.
I've heard that it's until 12~14, depending on exposure.
I know people who moved to Canada from countries with little exposure at or after the age of 9 who still speak their mother tongue at home, and yet have no accent at all when speaking English. A very linguistically different language from English, at that.
That's true, but also, speech-motor control develops throughout childhood, and one of the last things children develop is consonant clusters. This means words like (sp)a(gh)etti are harder for most children to say than, for example, "banana", regardless of their language. Children tend to replace difficult clusters with one of their sounds, and when there's more than one difficult cluster in a word, sometimes the other sound of one gets transposed in place of the other.
I agree, but things like "Sp", is that common in italian? I'm not sure but I'm thinking not. It's interesting and now I need someone with an Italian toddler to chip in.
Pronounciation differs in Italian, so when they mispronounce, it probably wont't sound like their American counter parts.
it was 'sketti' for me back then, and it is still decades later.
I was once an Italian kid. My parents would have beat me if I pronounced spaghetti wrong.
So no. They don't.
Kids are about the only thing Italians can beat in a fight.
Amirite?
And if they do, they won't be able to tell you after
No, they pronounce it correctly.
I think OP was asking about young kids who are still learning to pronounce words correctly.
I think I quick edit in the title would have cleared up a lot of confusion here.
Exactly, it's Pischetti
Bruschetta