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A new South Dakota policy to stop the use of gender pronouns by public university faculty and staff in official correspondence is also keeping Native American employees from listing their tribal affiliations in a state with a long and violent history of conflict with tribes.

Two University of South Dakota faculty members, Megan Red Shirt-Shaw and her husband, John Little, have long included their gender pronouns and tribal affiliations in their work email signature blocks. But both received written warnings from the university in March that doing so violated a policy adopted in December by the South Dakota Board of Regents.

“I was told that I had 5 days to remove my tribal affiliation and pronouns,” Little said in an email to The Associated Press. “I believe the exact wording was that I had ‘5 days to correct the behavior.’ If my tribal affiliation and pronouns were not removed after the 5 days, then administrators would meet and make a decision whether I would be suspended (with or without pay) and/or immediately terminated.”

The policy is billed by the board as a simple branding and communications policy. It came only months after Republican Gov. Kristi Noem sent a letter to the regents that railed against “liberal ideologies” on college campuses and called for the board to ban drag shows on campus and “remove all references to preferred pronouns in school materials,” among other things.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Surely it should be a choice.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago (20 children)

I think the "everyone anyone your pronouns" thing in email, slack, whatever is dumb. But if I lived in SD, I'd start doing it right about now.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Sounds like justification to not use gendered language. Might as well go full gender abolitionist on this shiznat.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 5 months ago (2 children)

“I was told that I had 5 days to remove my tribal affiliation and pronouns,” Little said in an email to The Associated Press. “I believe the exact wording was that I had ‘5 days to correct the behavior.’

"Correct the behavior" just means setting the style to bold and increasing the font size, though.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I'd comply and remove that info from the signature. I'd just start every email with:

Hello,

Thanks for reading my email. In case we're not already familiar, my pronouns are he/him and I'm affiliated with...

[–] [email protected] 81 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

nah just remove all pronouns

Smith,

Name Emma Jones and sophomore Thursday General Physics Class. Writing because in class yesterday mentioned having open positions research lab. found summary of project very interesting, would like learn and talk joining lab. Time in weeks could meet?

Thank time and look forward hearing soon

Best regards,

Emma

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I love this. It screams "Why use lot word when few word do trick."

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago

Yeah no pronouns in emails ever again. That's way more fun lol

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

No pronouns how are they planning to continue communication this seems like a key element of language

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Hey now, you can still use punctuation!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

No pronouns how are ____ planning to continue communication ____ seems like a key element of language

F_F_

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Some folks just get way too pissy about simple words. They're just words, sounds that are emitted from the large facial orifice, and written down or typed in symbols.

What words someone refers to another as change absolutely nothing about the person in question. Looking past the words that are clearly intended to be offensive, innocent pronouns such as he and she are simply meant to shorten and simplify writing and speech, rather than having to write, type or speak the person's full name every time.

TL;DR - They're just words, get over it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I think "they're just words, get over it" is a good argument in favour of pronoun declaration, no?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Basically, yeah. As long as they're not deliberately and intentionally offensive anyways.

I've been called grandma before, by my good friend's niece. I'm a grown dude, and ain't even related to their family.

I just laughed it off, because I know it wasn't intentional, plus everyone in their family seems to occasionally accidentally use the wrong names or pronouns.

It doesn't upset me, unless they keep repeating the same mistake intentionally. They're just words, and sometimes people make innocent mistakes.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

why would xe do that? (not sure what Noem's pronouns are)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Me not sure.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

pathetic I can't believe this is a real group of real human beings

[–] [email protected] 74 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Just in case anyone is wondering what all the pronouns are. Here is a list of the standard, non standard, informal, and archaic pronouns in the English language

And it at least implied that you couldn't use any of these words at all in an email. So simple phrases like; can you do this or I am able to do that. Would be out.

Personally I think we should just start using the archaic forms just to confuse people.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Personally I think we should just start using the archaic forms just to confuse people.

If I get to compose emails like I'm Frog from Chrono Trigger, I am all about it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thou shouldst do as thou pleases.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago
  • Hop around
  • Call everybody "thou"
  • Wield a cool sword
  • Probably nail Queen Leene

Yeah, methinkest I art down.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This is usually a good point. However, from my reading of just the snippet and some quotes others posted (and without reading the article myself because I am lazy), it may be that they are prohobiting the inclusion of preferred pronouns. If that's accurate, then it means they are refining their bigotry to be more precise.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Oh that is absolutely the intention, but who doesn't like logical extreme

I actually looked up the standard and it is worded in a way that doesn't explicitly prohibit any specific thing. It just gives a list of things that can be included and says anything else is prohibited. That way they are not discriminating. They are just creating a formatting standard.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 months ago

Nazis love erasing peoples identity

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

A new day, another reason to hate conservatives and their authoritarianism.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

Republicans sure love small government /s

[–] [email protected] 161 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They're not even pretending it's "just" about pronouns anymore. Now it's just overt racism. Not surprised they went for the indigenous first.

Incidentally, there are over 70,000 indigenous Americans living in South Dakota. Considering the state has less than a million people, that's not insignificant, so this is going to fuck over more than one or two people.

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[–] [email protected] 187 points 5 months ago (4 children)

That sounds like a clear first amendment violation to me. It’s not like a political affiliation either, gender and ethnic background are core to identity

[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 months ago

On the one hand, I see what you're saying. It sounds much like something my savior Jesus would say.

On the other hand, something something fuck them queers and Injuns.

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