I don't know where you live but where I'm at you will be eaten alive unless you are literally wet with deet spray(in areas that have all native plants and grasses). I don't mind visiting but as far as my backyard, I'll pass.
this post was submitted on 23 May 2024
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Eaten alive by mosquitoes and blackflies, which do well even with grass. As someone who also lived in an area like that (Ottawa) I was amazing when I moved across the river to Gatineau where they let their green spaces be wild and was amazed I was biking along the same river at the same time of year and there were very few bugs.
Naturalized ecosystems allow predators of mosquitoes and flies to thrive and control their numbers.
You have ticks and chiggers up there too? I bet they spray the god damn dog shit out of those green spaces and make sure any standing water has been treated if it's a yuppy area like you are describing. Plus your cold winters kill a lot of them off right? You ever been in the deep south near Louisiana? Even better, South America?
Please let the Pemberton area of BC know this. As wild as it gets, I have never seen so many mosquitoes in my life.
Aesthetically pleasing like a blank canvas, a bare concrete wall, a block of clay, an empty manuscript: Brimming with potential to become something.
I might have anger issues because any time someone tells me to touch grass I want to just violently make them eat the said touching grass.
…touch grass, you internet tough guy
Saw a man watering his yard the other day omw home from work. I drive through a ridiculously bougie area on my commute and see so much weird and out of touch shit
Ridiculously bougie in the US means “no meth zombies running up to your car when you stop at a red light”, correct?
No, bougier. Like mansions and supercars and garages the size of my house and gigantic yards with topiaries. Absolutely crazy shit that screams "We have fuck you levels of money"
It's honestly kind of disgusting, tbh.
My husband and I tried so hard to just let our lawn be what it wanted to be. All the clover, dandelions, wild strawberry, wild onion and ginger absolutely took over. In the back, it's completely fine. We get a lot of brown spots and mud during winter when it dies back, but come spring it's back to thriving. In our front yard though, enough of it died back that a heavy rain washed a lot of our yard into our driveway. We tried to manage it for a year before giving in.
So now, our front yard is an ugly but pristine monoculture grass hellscape. The back though is much larger, and still full of the awesome native plant goodness. I know nature is thriving back there because I pretty much cannot use my yard during summer due to the insane amount of bugs. There is a thriving ecosystem with all sorts of wildlife, from bunnies, squirrels and chipmunks to cardinals, robins and owls. Occasionally even a stray fox or mallard can be seen around the creek. And I live in the suburbs of a major metro area, and can hear I-35 from my house. It really is quite remarkable how natural ecosystems can thrive with just a tiny bit of encouragement.
Unpopular opinion: I like my pure grass lawn and work hard to keep it nice with clean edges, no weeds, and comfortable barefoot walking. My flower garden I also work to keep nice in between plants. The vegetable garden is the same deal. The back of the property can grow whatever it wants. I have less than 1/4 acre and if I can have it all so can you.
You will never convince me that a lot with a house that is overgrown to shit looks nice. We can have both.
euclidean micro-zoning sounds like a terrible idea
Jokes on you, my back yard is a non euclidean space.
You can maintain a natural yard without letting it get overgrown.
I passed through a natural lawn sub Lemmy the other day and it didn't look like that was the norm. The normal seemed to be just don't mow, which really brings a "this is an abandoned property" vibe for me.
Lemmy isn't representative of the general population.
Fun fact, naturally growing grass in Midwest is generally of the phalaris species, you can extract a very powerful hallucinogenic drug called DMT from it in three very simple steps. All you need is a lawnmower with a mulch bag and some pool cleaning supplies.
I did some cursory research, and it looks like the leaves also contain toxic compounds, such as gramine, that can cause organ damage, including brain damage.
how
Cut it into really small pieces, soak it something that extracts the fat cells from the grass (BBQ lighter fluid works for this), then use and acid and a base to neutralize your bucket of shit and all the DMT sinks to the bottom in solid form so just separate it from the liquid.
All the brown shit at the bottom of your concoction is pure DMT.
Do I drink it right out of the bucket?
You're supposed to smoke it, but you better get buckled up before you do because it's fucking crazy.
Oh fuck that's honestly really cool
Just scalp it and you have more native weeds than you want
Bugs don't care what type of green you have in your lawn. You can even mow.
Just don't spray insecticide on your lawn.
Edit: also, why the fuck would you remove existing lawn to replace it with new growth? That's like indiscriminately bulldozing every home in a city to rebuild them with whatever is the current trend in sustainable housing. Where do people live in the mean time? Please don't let this person, or me for that matter, inform your opinion.
Grass monoculture lawns are basically deserts. You are not hurting anything by ripping it all out and letting native plants take over
That's just simply vastly and easily proved to be untrue.
Insecticide is a lot of it but lack of variety, lack of height, lack of pollinators, lack of pollinating plants and light pollution are all compound factors.
I've seen a lot of opinion pieces about the matter, but they never cite any research that definitely pins substantive loss of biodiversity on lawns. It's an issue globally, but as usual the individual is the scape goat instead of the exponentially greater impact of corporations.
Because there doesn't need to be a study. We know reduction of habitat has a direct relation to population, it would be exceptionally weird if it weren't.
We knew dinosaurs were scaly, too. Everything deserves further study, and it's foolhardy to advise everyone to rip up their lawns and plant...what, exactly? White clover, another invasive species.
I'm sure I can find a study but do you need a study for common sense?
Ed:
Oh, you didn't need to do that. You won't find a study supporting your argument, I've looked thoroughly before. Case in point, the study you shared. It actually opposes your argument, by finding suburban lawns support a diverse and abundant bee community. Of the three mowing frequencies they studied (one, two, and three week intervals), they actually found every two weeks was optimal for the bees.
Like I said to begin with, I just don't think what species of green you plant in your lawn matters nearly as much as not using insecticide.
It doesn't but do go on.
We suggest a ‘lazy lawnmower’ approach as an additional option for managing yards for wildlife. The recommendation to mow lawns less frequently to help promote bee conservation might garner broad public support (potentially compared with lawn reduction or replacement) because it more closely aligns with current single-family homeowner motivations for adopting lawn-dominated yardscapes. A New England study on lawn care attitudes and behaviors found that householders were concerned about water quality and thus were willing to try al- ternative lawn care approaches that were more environmentally friendly (e.g., higher mowing height, reduced fertilizer application). However, the authors also noted significant barriers to changing be- haviors including concerns that the alternative lawn care would not be as aesthetically pleasing, would incur additional financial burdens, and would require more time for upkeep (Eisenhauer et al., 2016). Likewise, in a multi-city survey, respondents ranked various landscaping deci- sions in which aesthetically pleasing, weed-free, and ease of main- tenance topped the list, while provisioning for wildlife ranked fifth out of eight choices (Larson et al., 2015). These studies suggest that wild- life-friendly landscaping has some support, but the acceptance of weeds and the inclusion of more native plants (which are not as showy as their non-native congeners; Frankie et al., 2005) might be at odds with more preferred management goals of aesthetics and ease of maintenance (Lerman et al., 2012b; van Heezik et al., 2012). Based on our interac- tions with participating households and their neighbors, our treatment of a three-week mowing frequency appeared unkempt and exceeded the tolerance of many homeowners and their neighbors, and thus the two- week regime might reconcile homeowner ideals with pollinator habitat. Moving towards a mechanistic approach when studying urban biodiversity (Shochat et al., 2006) increases our ability to directly link management with ecological outcomes, and ultimately lead to effective action. Our experimental approach demonstrated how altering lawn management decisions influences bee abundance despite the inherent variability present in suburban yards. Manipulating lawn mowing be- haviors also demonstrates a new and creative approach for supporting urban biodiversity by rethinking the role lawns play towards enriching urban areas. Mowing less frequently is practical, economical, environ- mental and a timesaving alternative to lawn replacement or even planting pollinator gardens, that has the potential to be widely adopted if it can overcome barriers to social acceptance. Most importantly, our research shows that individual households can contribute to urban conservation.
It would be easier to just admit you didn't read the whole thing before you shared it. It's a shit study, like I said, and you're wasting your time trying to make it support your opinion.
You can throw more copy pasta at me, if you want, but their results are what they are. I'll reiterate...
Suburban lawns support a diverse bee population: "4.1. Diverse and abundant suburban bee communities. For this study, we documented 93 species of bees collected from the lawn-dominated yards (Appendix A1). These 93 species represent roughly a quarter of bee species recorded in Massachusetts, include 14 Massachusetts county records, and featured the highly abundant Lasioglossum illinoense, a species not recorded in Massachusetts since 1920 (Lerman and Milam, 2016). Other urban bee studies have also amassed impressive species lists (e.g., Baldock et al., 2015; Fetridge et al., 2008; Matteson et al., 2008; Pardee and Philpott, 2014; Tommasi et al., 2004), dispelling the notion that cities are “biological deserts” and support findings that bees can be abundant and diverse in urban settings (Hall et al., 2017). In addition to being primarily native species and soil-nesters, the majority of the Springfield bees were small-bodied (Appendix A1), suggesting that these short-distance fliers took advantage of the floral resources in the study lawns, especially yards mowed every two weeks."
Mowing more frequently was better for the bees: "Mowing frequency altered the evenness of bees within suburban yards, though the patterns we observed did not fully support our hypothesis, in that lawns mowed every week and every three-weeks had higher evenness (Fig. 4d) and richness (Rarefaction curves; Fig. 2) when compared with the two-week treatment."
Mowing more frequently was better for the bees: *"Mowing frequency altered the evenness of bees within suburban yards, though the patterns we observed did not fully support our hypothesis, in that lawns mowed every week and every three-weeks had higher evenness (Fig. 4d) and richness (Rarefaction curves; Fig. 2) when compared with the two-week treatment."
You also ignored the important part where the study pretty explicitly says there are better practices including wilding they just aren't likely to gain acceptance with tedious home owners.
A New England study on lawn care attitudes and behaviors found that householders were concerned about water quality and thus were willing to try al- ternative lawn care approaches that were more environmentally friendly (e.g., higher mowing height, reduced fertilizer application). However, the authors also noted significant barriers to changing be- haviors including concerns that the alternative lawn care would not be as aesthetically pleasing, would incur additional financial burdens, and would require more time for upkeep (Eisenhauer et al., 2016).
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