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America's largest LGBTQ rights group plans $15 million swing state blitz to re-elect Biden (www.nbcnews.com)

submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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And after crunching the numbers, the organization sees warning signs in the form of soft support for Biden in the 2024 electorate.

HRC estimates that this year there will be 75 million “equality voters” — who vote based on support for LGBTQ rights — up from 62 million in 2020 and 52 million in 2016. But the group says one-third of them aren’t a lock for Biden. In the six key swing states, hundreds of thousands are “at risk of not voting,” and another group of hundreds of thousands of voters are what HRC refers to as “double doubters” who will likely defect to a third party, according to data HRC shared with NBC News.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I mean - all power to them.

But Biden and the (so-called) "Democratic" party do not deserve any of this support.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What makes you think the dems "deserving" the votes has absolutely anything to do with this? LGBQT+ people be trying to exist and you're asking them if Biden "deserves" their vote?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

What makes you think the dems “deserving” the votes has absolutely anything to do with this?

You really think the Dems are going to accept this support and think, "Gee, we should really do something to protect LGBQT+ folk, like... maybe not reaching across the aisle to the people that will gladly perpetrate mass-murder on them" huh?

If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The best thing they could do is convince Biden to shut up about Israel unless it's to say, "We are stopping all military aid except air defense missiles to intercept rockets and we will not stand in the ICC's way."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Seeing as Trump raised 50% more than Biden in April, Biden needs all the help he can get.

[+] [email protected] -23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You're literally called "Human Rights Campaign" and you're campaigning for someone who is supporting a genocide this minute with weapons. Shameless.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The choice is:

Support candidate that is tacitly okay with genocide
Support candidate that is enthusiastic about genocide and stripping away LGBTQ rights
Say nothing and let the second candidate operate unimpeded by your opposition in key states

I mean... come on, let's be reasonable.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If he's okay with genocide over there then he's okay with it here. I get that HRC is trying to do damage control but this is evidence that Democrats will turn on marginalized groups the very second they think it benefits them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If he's okay with genocide over there then he's okay with it here

That is a gigantic jump but go off

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It has to do with how someone values human life. They may not find a genocide here convenient or may not have the correct people in place, but they're okay with doing one if they thought they needed to.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That is not how it works.

It is: "Who wants to get the vote must uphold human rights." The fact that Biden rather wants Trump to win, than to do that should tell you everything about how his second term and the DNC will be after him. Once they think it will gain them some votes from the Republicans, they will start to crack down on LGBT too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This only makes sense if the people who think like you reach a critical mass, which they have not and very likely never will.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

And that is because of people like in this article paying a lot of money and working their lobbies very hard, to not have it happen. You are being propagandized with the same "us vs. them" bullshit, that the Reps pulled in 2016 to get Trump elected. 2024 Dem supporters sound scarily similar to 2016 Reps.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Those LGBTQ people are, people. Human beings. Humans.

What a terf post.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

What the hell does Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminism have to do with protesting a Genocide?

[+] [email protected] -28 points 5 months ago (3 children)

How arrogant would voters have to be to vote in favor their rights while Biden is helping murder and violating human rights of brown people around the world?

Campaigning on women's rights while denying women's rights to life around the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Because I would like to still be alive and not a second class citizen so that I can do what I can to advocate for those who still need that recognition and aid rather than backslide and have everything be universally worse. Can't rightly do that when I'm getting sent to the fucking camps too.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago

You are already a second class citizen to the US government. In this country you either have money or you dont. Anyone without it is treated as a second class citizen, and has no representation in government.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I'm sure Trump will be your man and the defender of the rights of brown people and women...lol

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago

The difference is republicans dont pretend to care.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I don't like it, but in reality I have 2 choices.

Someone who is supporting awful things around the world, but will (at least temporarily) protect myself and my community. or
Someone who will continue supporting awful things around the world, and will without a doubt persecute and hunt me and my community.

It's a shit choice. But its an easy choice. One candidate is a very real threat to not just myself, but my friends, family, and community. The other is not.

I'd love our magic 3rd option to show up and be viable, but they won't. We all know this.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Democrats havent done a damn thing to protect our community, endless lip service about rights and protections while doing nothing causes more harm

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

So the people doing nothing are causing more harm than the people actively hunting and persecuting me?

I’d disagree. That’s like saying my neighbors who didn’t put out the fire in my house are just as bad as my other neighbor who started the fire in the first place.

We have two choices.

Democrats haven’t done a damn thing…

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Except in your bad up scenario, neighbor 1 provided the matches to neighbor 2.

YOU have 2 choices, neither of them is on list list. Theres a larger chance of you voting republican than me voting for either

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dems did not supply the matches lol. Republicans showed up with a flame thrower.

But whatever. There will be no winning you over, even with facts provided. Later boo

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

There has been no facts, only conjecture

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's absolutely bonkers to me that people think not voting for Biden will somehow help Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, By telling Biden "it is okay, you will be voted no matter what" you encourage him to be his worst. The goal is to threaten and punish Biden if he does not uphold checks notes basic human rights, international rule of law and not being complicit in the worst crimes of humanity.

The DNC laughes about you and they are happy to fuck you over once elected again. And with you i mean everyone who is not super rich, or white upper class liberal. Believing the DNC would stick it out for LGBT rights is laughable given how happy they are to murder other minorities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, By telling Biden “it is okay, you will be voted no matter what” you encourage him to be his worst.

I don't disagree with this. The point is that Trump being elected will be much worse for non-whites and LGBT than Biden.

Going into speculation, I don't think not voting for Biden will make dems shift further left. I see so many comments talking about how Biden's stance on Palestine might lose him the election but absolutely no evidence that shifting his stance would help him win. Leftists are a small minority and I see no evidence that Biden has anything to gain from appeasing the left. My guess would be that shifting left could lose dems the support of many "moderates" or whatever the fuck they call themselves.

If you want people to agree with you then you need to convince them that sharing your point of view benefits them. I see absolutely no evidence that not voting for Biden will benefit anybody on the left, but I see plenty of evidence it will harm the left. Going on about how voting for Biden is bad is just straight up fucking obnoxious when you fail to follow it up with any logical alternative. "Sending Biden a message" is not a good argument when you fail to prove that he has anything to gain by listening.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I see no evidence that Biden has anything to gain from appeasing the left.

I would argue that failing to realize how large of a voting bloc the left is was a large part of what got us Trump in the first place. Moderates weren't enough to push Hillary through in 2016, and Dems made sure to send a strong "we don't need or care about you" message to the left.

If you want people to agree with you then you need to convince them that sharing your point of view benefits them.

I fully agree with this, but here is the thing. The Dems aren't arguing that their point of view benefits the Left. They are arguing Republicans will be worse. Which is true, but saying I have to pay you $20 so your asshole friend doesn't beat me up and take my wallet isn't a benefit to me. It's extortion.

I will be voting for Biden, being extorted is a less terrible option in the short run after all. But I won't be surprised if the Dems "We are less awful" strategy doesn't woo enough voters. And the Dems will have only themselves to blame. Because just like you said, if you want people to agree with you, you have to show them the benefit.

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