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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I do absolutely love watching sov cits get arrested.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 9 months ago (7 children)

The weird rules they come up with always make me laugh. Red ink at a 45 degree angle?

It's like some incantation from a fantasy story or something. How do go so far down a rabbit hole that you think you have wizard powers that you can use by simply writing things in a weird way?

Like do they imagine the clerk is there with a protractor and is like "damn, it's 45 degrees, nothing we can do about this one!" Or is it like the clerk will go into a trance and be compelled by their magic incantation to throw the ticket out?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Have you seen the red thumbprint one yet? It's my favorite.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Love how this is only for Downtown Raleigh too.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I love how they just make up laws and then believe that it's real. Contact law exists... but this is nothing to do with contact law. This is more closely related to belief in the tooth fairy than it is to any actual legal facts.

And the 45 degree writing is just the icing on the idiocy cake.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I swear to god, if I was more conspiracy minded I'd say this kind of awful advice was some kind of effort by private prison contractors to increase the incarcerated population.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

Ever notice how everything is certified mail. It's all a scam by Big Postal to drive up certified mail income. Wake up sheeple!

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (1 children)

WTF does "cause without dishonor or recourse to me" mean? It sounds like the words are all out of order lol

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's "hereby refused for cause,

Without dishonor or recourse to me."

As in, without it being a blemish on their reputation or action made against them.

As stupid as their argument and attempt are, that phrase made sense to me.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (4 children)

So in other words "I'm allowed to break the law with impunity and you can't ever say anything bad about me because I'm special"?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

It's basically being told you owe money and in response saying, "Yeah no thanks on that debt. I refuse to accept it. But don't think less of me or let it affect anything else you're still doing for me or that I feel entitled to!"

And if that sounds completely ridiculous it's because it is.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yup. The court will totally understand and not force you to pay anyway. :D

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"That darned lawbreaker figured out all the right words to say, and in the correct order too! My hands are tied!" -some hapless clerk.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Bailiffs will confiscate your red marker so you can’t write your refusal in any paperwork. Check. And. Mate.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

And at the right angle, too!!! Damn him!

[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The ticket is an offer for you to defend yourself in court. Declining that offer is equivalent to pleading guilty in most places.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Don't waste your breath, trying to correct a SovCit is like punching holes in a lake.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 9 months ago (5 children)

This is absolutely true, and it's not limited to parking tickets. I was getting groceries and I was asked to pay. I knew this was just a trick to get me to enter contract, so I denied the contract (yes, I signed at a 45.0 degree angle) and left with my groceries for free.

The police did unlawfully arrest me though, so I am seeking a civil rights lawyer.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This guy is a liar, don't believe him. I was the cashier and I can tell you that he signed at a 44.3° angle (we're required to keep a protractor at every register for this exact reason), the peace officer was right to arrest him.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Ok, but why is it important that it be written at a 45 degree angle? What if it’s at 46 or 44? Does it still work?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Anything outside of 5 arc seconds from 45° is considered a supplemental contract, which would require initial from the revisor and initial from the district attorney's office, magistrate, governor, or sheriff. This is all established under the contract law established under the 437th revision to the code of Hammurabi under the Governor's office of Antigua, codified by Sir Thomas Warner.

Learn the law sheeple!

[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago (4 children)

DENIED DUE TO 44.8° ANGLE

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Papers please, sovcit edition

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Deviating from 45° actually means you ACCEPT the offer. It is known.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Known, it is.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's probably impossible to get a perfect 45 degree angle. Even a lab environment could probably only get it accurate to some high number of decimal points.

As long as I have a better lab, I can prove it wasn't 45 degrees and hence would be invalid.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Sovereign citizens hate this one weird trick

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Same principle as Japanese signature stamps?

[–] [email protected] 65 points 9 months ago (5 children)

TILA-RESPA of 2015. Extends only to banking institutions in limited situations related to home loans. 12 USC ch. 27.

You cannot just read a single sentence from that act, the three day period, and just randomly apply it everywhere. And I have no idea where the 45⁰ thing comes from but sounds right up there with bay leaves and candles.

Obey the law. #NotLegalAdvice

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

What’s funnier is using laws of a nation they’re saying don’t apply to them as protection for their nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

45° and red ink...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

That’s incredibly funny, but also incredibly sad at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

They do the same thing with the bible.

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