So my guess is the drone or rocket operators that Isreal employs are just sitting at their monitors all day, bored as fuck because unarmed Palestinians are walking across the screen they're watching, and then a truck rolls by. Doesn't matter if its food, aid or any normal purpose vehicle. It doesn't look right so these lunkheads just go nuts and hit buttons.
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UNRWA is apparently an aid group. They're also quite clearly terrorists. They even house terrorists in their official facilities can't provide them with the electricity they need.
Sadly, as long as Hamas continues to embed themselves within the civilian population, this will continue to happen. It's not acceptable but it's a sad reality of war. The fastest way to stop this is to release the hostages.
Friendly reminder to everyone irritated by the above rhetoric:
If you are in a country that suspended its support of the UN organization UNRWA, you can still donate to them directly at https://donate.unrwa.org/
You can also donate directly to Hamas and bypass the middleman there. Some pretty great footage came out yesterday showing Hamas fully armed wearing regalia coming into UN vehicles. Right outside the Rafa gate.
The guiding idea behind "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" is that it's better to let a guilty person go free than it is to unjustly punish an innocent person.
It's depressing how quickly some of you have abandoned that basic principle.
Instead you are happy to punish the innocent civilians of Gaza, half of whom are children, even to the point of literally starving them to death.
This isn't a court of law. This is a war, a war that was started by Hamas. Hamas who uses women and children as human Shields.
Not to mention that the propaganda claiming how many women and children have been killed has now been revised to half the original number.
No one is happy with what's happening here. What would make me happy is for the hostages to be released and for Hamas to stop terrorizing the Palestinian people.
this war was started by Israel in 1976 in the 7 day war.
Pretty sure it started in 48 when five Arab Nations attacked the fledgling nation of Israel..... They lost them, preventing them from developing their pan arabian caliphate and they simply have not gotten over it since.
The simple fact that Israel exists and Jews control their own destiny completely surrounded by islamists and those who openly call for their death is something that they're just unwilling to accept.
What would make me happy would be for the hostilities to cease, the civilians to all be safe and properly fed and housed (no matter what their race or religion), and for the belligerants to find themselves looking down the barrel of a war crimes tribunal.
So I think there's stuff you and I do have in common, we just have very different expectations around international law and the rules of war. I find your opinions on war crimes quite horrible but I appreciate our underlying common humanity.
I feel like you are very likely from a western society. And what I've noticed since this conflict has broken openly, is there is a serious disconnect between those of us who are rooted in the middle East and those who are not.
When you live next to someone who has spent over 1,000 years trying to exterminate you and you now have a safe harbor that you can defend yourself from, then you meet fire with fire. Israel is quite clearly taking more steps than any Nation has ever taken in an urban combat situation to avoid civilian casualties. They're not Lily white in this. Nobody fighting a war could possibly be, but to try and claim that they're even close to being on the level of the people who tore babies out of their cribs and slaughtered them completely misrepresents the reality on the ground.
The white Western Savior along the lines of what Martin Luther King identified 50 years ago doesn't have a fucking clue what they're looking at or talking about when it comes to the theater of war that we are witnessing in the middle East. You can't humanely fight against the monsters that comprise hamas. As sad as that is for humans to have to accept in order to save their own lives.
No, the West are way more understanding of this genocide than most non-Western countries.
The two biggest legal challenges have come from South Africa and Nicaragua.
The African Union as a whole is pretty opposed to it and thus the African continent could be a source of peacekeepers if the US ever stops blocking the UN.
Meanwhile the US role has been such that there's talk of this eroding US soft power outside the West, particularly in ASEAN countries.
That's absolutely untrue. The West the West has gone out of its way to redefine what a genocide is. Even saying that that's required in a parliament host in Europe.
The challenges are coming from countries that are aligned with Russia and Iran. That's so blatantly obvious. The fact that you didn't include it in your statement really makes your intentions questionable here. Meanwhile, we have the former president of the icj, the lady who literally penned the decision saying that they didn't rule. It was plausibly a genocide and that all the stupid people out there claiming it's a genocide. Not only don't understand the ruling but they don't understand the topic. Seems like you're part of that crowd.
Oooohkay.
I studied genocides at university and I damn well know what one is when I see one. I also studied Apartheid so I know exactly why South Africa brought its case. And I have a longstanding interest in human rights law.
all the stupid people out there... seems like you're part of that
You're being really offensive now.
If we're up to you "questioning" my "intentions" here, lets quit while we're ahead, there's absolutely no value in a discussion where you accuse me of being a Russian troll and in turn I accuse you of being a Hasbara shill. I entered this conversation in good faith but it's pointless now.
Thank you for the discussion, have a nice weekend, goodbye.
So you know more than the icj? If there was a genocide ongoing, why didn't they put a stop to the hostilities? Why did the president of the icj come out and explicitly clear the record that their judgment was not that there is a plausible genocide happening right now? If you study genocide as you claim, why would the icj allow one to continue if one in fact was happening? They intervene in Russia, Ukraine. They didn't intervene in Israel.
Where's the proof unrwa are terrorists? Still waiting for it to be shown.
Well they paid the power bill for Hamas for starters. Anyone who believes they weren't aware of what's underneath their hq is not worth engaging in discussing with frankly.
There's video that just came out yesterday showing Hamas fully armed and in regalia using un vehicles at the Rafa gate. There's also 3,000 pages of emails, text messages and employee files that link thousands of unreal officials.
There's reams of proof out there. You just need to get out of your Echo chamber.
Yes, Israel made that accusation 3 months ago and then failed to provide any single shred of evidence of that to this day. Accusation is useless without proof. I can say "you are x and x and x" but without any proof, that doesn't make it true...
- Independent review finds Israel failed to produce evidence to back up claims against UNRWA employees – report
- Israel still has no proof of Unrwa terrorist claims – but damage to aid agency is done
- Independent review panel releases final report on UNRWA
The fastest way to stop this is to release the hostages.
Clearly you are misinformed. Hamas agreed to release the hostages as part of the last ceasefire agreement they signed and Israel rejected.
And the war criminal Netanyahu doesn't give a shit about hostages. Gaza: Israeli PM Netanyahu says Rafah attack will happen regardless of deal
And yet yesterday we have clear video released showing armed Hamas fighters headbands and all. Getting in and out of UNRWA vehicles just outside the Rafah gate.
You've got the agency acknowledging that they were supplying Hamas with power underneath their headquarters, yet somehow we're supposed to believe they weren't aware.
Got thousands of pages of documents linking employees of the agency to Hamas.
And yet when the UN investigates itself it finds nothing wrong. Even while we're seeing them covertly revise the mortality numbers and cutting the number of children dead in half. So what are we supposed to believe? Because they've certainly undermined any credibility that they could possibly have on this file with their public statements and actions.
When you don't believe what you see with your own eyes, It's because your bias is stronger than your ability to reason.
Edit. Hamas agreed to release bodies when they couldn't come up with the number of hostages that they said they could. They've admitted they can't turn over the number of live hostages to fulfill their end of the bargain. So how is that Israel's fault? Hostages in exchange for truce is the deal, The only one misinformed here is you on a number of levels and it appears that you need to step outside your Echo chamber.
step outside your echo chamber.
I'm here LoL, I really make an effort to take in both sides. One CLEARLY doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about or who they're aligning with.
You CLEARLY doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about or who you're aligning with.
I'm quite confident I know who I'm aligned with and who I'm against. It's also pretty evident that I'm much more familiar with the situation on the ground than you are having spent time on both sides of the wall..
It's you
Can you source any of your claims?
And yet when the UN investigates itself it finds nothing wrong.
And you clearly don't understand what the word independent means. Please read the sources cited before misstating facts.
Hamas agreed to release bodies when they couldn't come up with the number of hostages that they said they could.
Have you read the three-phase ceasefire deal? Phase 1 guaranteed all civilian hostages release/bodies return. Phase 2 guaranteed all military hostages release/bodies return. And phase 3 mentioned exchange of any other bodies that each of them had.
And the hostages became bodies because of Israel actions and not Hamas. Israel's indiscriminate killing is why bodies instead of alive hostages are being returned.
Want to link this proof?
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-801171
Video embedded within. Plenty of other articles on this if this video doesn't satisfy.
Was the video independently verified? Or did Israel say it's true, so it's must be true? The fact that major corporate news networks didn't post the video, doesn't inspire confidence in the video validity. They are usually the first ones to suck up to Israel.
UNRWA said they are examining video authenticity.
You also failed to provide sources for your other claims. I'm still waiting. Prove your point is valid and that my "bias is stronger than your ability to reason".
It's a fucking video. You can watch it for yourself. You don't have to listen to anybody.
The level of stupidity being displayed around this issue is fucking Mind-Boggling. It really is people saying don't believe what you see with your own eyes. Believe what the international terrorist organization is saying..FFS.
Have any Americans been killed in these? That SHOULD normally be enough to set our media on fire.
It's a little treat they like to give themselves once every month or so.
It’s funny, I went to block you for being so misinformed and found I already downvoted the majority of the disinformation you spew. Still gonna block you.
Mustn't be exposed to dissent, enjoy your echo chamber
enjoy your echo chamber
That doesn't make sense. I regularly interact with people who disagree with me.
^That ^doesn't ^make ^sense. ^I ^regularly ^interact ^with ^people ^who ^disagree ^with ^me.
that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-rights-watch/
Cool even mbfc doesn't mention anything about it being anti Israel which they love to due.
maybe Israel should stop committing acts that violate human rights
Is everyone who points out Israeli war crimes an anti-semite to you? Half of these are "Oh no HRW talks about Israeli war crimes".
Very cool wikipedia page did you get paid to write it?
Because clearly no one but me can disagree with the official social media narrative? 😆
Sorry to inform you that reality sometimes disagrees with your preconceptions.
the official social media narrative
brainrot much?
Ad hominem, for when you don't like an argument but are unwilling or unable to refute it
Your whole comment was an attempt at derailing the conversation. The article is about people being KILLED, its completely irrelevant whether those people had anti Israel bias or not. At this point anyone who isnt critical of Israels actions is just blind and deaf to reality. Being biased against Israel is not a crime worth death, its the natural position for anyone with the tiniest bit of empathy in them.
I insulted you not because i didnt like your argument, but because you didnt even make an argument relevant to the post in the first place.
No, my comment was providing more context, by pointing out that HRC, rhe source being cited by this BBC article, is not an unbiased source when it comes to matters regarding Israel, as detailed in the link I provided.
It is highly relevant and not derailing at all, you just appear to hate on anyone who refutes your narrative.
Casualties due to collateral damage and fog of war are quite normal in war, but HRC holds Israel to a different standard than every other Nation, is far more critical of Israel, and takes a lot of money from Qatar and sources that are very anti-israel.
They are not a good source for information regarding this conflict unless you want your anti-israel preconceptions catered to, which it seems you do.
you are a failure at everything you do.
When Israel violates international law so often that they make up a large percentage of crimes against humanity the only reasonable conclusion we can draw is that Human Rights Watch is anti semitic.