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It is freeing to recognize that I have never sinned and it pissed Christians off when I say this. To clarify, in Christianity sin is not simply "the bad things we do" it is specifically an offense against god. God does not exists so i have never sinned against him.

I've been an atheist for for 16 years but it was only recently that I realized this distinction. It short-circuits the guilt based evangelism. It forces the christian to first demonstrate that god exists before they can convince me I have sinned and need to be saved from that sin. And to say the least, they are ill equipped to demonstrate the existence of god.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Since I became an atheist, I have been really trying to sanitize my speech away from the religious speak because its not a matter of simply choosing different synonmyns because words like immoral and sin are words with completely different meanings.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

One of the fundamentals I've learned in a hobby study of moral philosophy (unaccredited. I just read stuff and watch videos.) is the English language is not great for talking about wrongdoing.

We have the words sin and crime

Sin is a wrongdoing against God or against the divine, as asserted by organized religious ministries, who often do not agree. (Here in the States, some churches assert that gay sexual behavior is a sin, whereas others assert that judging others for being gay is a sin.) None of this is true. As Pope Frances observed, Only God knows the mind or intent of God, and Protestant faiths operate by the doctrines Sola Fide (By faith alone) and Sola Scriptura (By scripture alone) does one find salvation. Your favorite minister can only advise with opinions, and often they do to serve their own agenda. You and you alone get to decide what parts of the bible are valid in your life in the 2020s, and which parts are allegory, which parts are out of date (e.g. slavery, genocide, human sacrifice) and whether God will understand you're doing your best in the circumstances He threw at you.

Crime is an offense against the state, which is, in turn, the organization that defines and enforces state law and is supposed to provide governance, often typically serving only the plutocrats and oligarchs that define what kinds of policy will be enacted. The state is not the community or the land, hence we see routine pushes to roll back environmental protections so that the community has clean air and drinking water, instead allowing industry to dump its soot and pig farmers to let their poop lagoons leak and poison the water table.

As a younger adult, seeing the CIA extrajudicial detention and enhanced interrogation program kidnap people and torture them, including innocent Americans, without judicial review or due process was one of my first steps into realizing the illegitimacy of the United States. None of that served the people of the US (we have much more effective non-pain-driven ways to interrogate POWs. Torture only happened because rich people wanted brown people to suffer). Since then we've seen our own rights stripped away peacemeal, and noticed a disparity in how the rule of law applies to those with wealth, and those without. So the state is very much an entity other than the public or our society.

Neither sin nor crime reflect wrongdoing against the self, the community, the society or the commonwealth, and English doesn't have names for such wrongdoing. We have to modify sin and crime such as crime against humanity or sin against nature

And this, then leads to what we imagine sin and crime to be, mostly wonton (unlicensed) sex, bank robbery and serial killing. Our songs of sin and remorse talk about killing neighbors or fucking neighbors. They don't talk about war profiteering, or pushing addictive pharmaceuticals, or capturing the government of the people, or actively obfuscating the effects of mass fossil-fuel use on the ecology, collapsing the ecology, extinguishing biodiversity and possibly the human species. Elite deviance (e.g. white collar crime) causes more death, more destruction and more cost than all the petty sins and crimes _by multiple orders of magnitude) and yet God (God's alleged voice) has nothing to say about them, and the state says very little, while it's instead looking to abolish drag queens reading to children at the library.

So not only is there no sin, but sin and crime are irrelevant, except for those things that are enforced by law enforcement institutions that mostly want to rob citizens and / or shoot them. But this is to say you will be hunted for self publishing your music or whistleblowing a company for balking safety regulations as you will robbing a bank.

So not only are we truly free from moral obligations, but we might actually be ethically bound to consider for ourselves what we opine is right and wrong. When religious ministries are asserting violence against gays, Palestinians and immigrants is right and proper, obedience to divine command theory is no longer safe or right.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children)

For a bunch of so-called atheists, yous sure do spend a lot of time thinking about god 😂

In civilised countries, you know how you can tell if someone is atheist or religious?

You can't.

You don't talk about that shit

Same goes for politics

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Avoiding discussion of politics is the privilege of those who benefit from oppression.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

For a bunch of so-called atheists, yous sure do spend a lot of time thinking about god 😂

There are dozens of churches in my town. There are religious messages everywhere, from billboards to plaques. There are Christian radio stations people play music from when I go into their businesses. Religious people knock on my door trying to convert me.

Of course I spend a lot of time thinking about it. You people shove it down my throat every chance you get.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You people

😂😂😂

Mate, we got rid of our religious nutjobs in the late 15th/early 16th century.

Here's the secret - stick them all on a boat, send them off to some distant western continent (we found that 3500 miles was the bare minimum) and let them create the most fucked up country on the entire planet while the rest of us slowly forget about their weirdo religion 😂

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I can't help but note that you don't say where you live. And I have a feeling that it's because there are, in fact, religious extremists in your country.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but they tend to be the "blowy-uppy" type so they tend not to push their agenda either

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Once again, you aren't saying where you live and it's becoming more and more obvious that it's because there are crazy Christians there and you don't want us to know that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Best pun in the thread, and the edgy teenagers missed it :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

God, I hope not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I'm curious of what your definition of "a civilized country" is.

I expect the answer is going to be prejudice AF.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Religious people sure spend a lot of time thing about getting little girls pregnant and marrying them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Kindly fuck off with the unsolicited, worthless criticism, Hugh.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

There is an irony that atheism becomes a religion to a lot of atheists.

It reminds me of how some liberals have transformed into the people they disliked when they just want to own the MAGA crowd instead of actually rallying behind progressive policies and ideals

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Define religion for us please.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A circle jerk around the meaning of life

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Atheism has nothing to say about the meaning of life. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods.

So either religion is "a circle jerk around the meaning of life," and therefore atheism is not a religion "to a lot of atheists" or your definition is wrong.

Which is it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Theism in its purest form is similarly devoid of religion. My point is that as a practicing atheist, I do not identify with the ways that many of you practice atheism. It is disappointing and mirrors religion in a way that seems obvious to those that are not taking part of the circle jerk

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So by 'practice atheism,' you mean talk about it. And that's what makes a religion. Talking about something.

So I guess discussing the weather is a religion.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

If my main reference of weather was "why my weather forecast is better than your weather forecast", then yes, weather becomes a religion

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Religion is a cult or atheism is a cult?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Okay, then please define 'cult' in such a way that describes both religion and atheism. You could start by telling us who the atheism cult's leader is, because I sure don't follow whoever that is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

It’s an opinion on religion, not a belief. It is the lack of belief.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Is it really a religion when it doesn't follow deities?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Shhhhh, let's not give them ammunition against TST.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I love to piss them off by telling them the only way for god to objectively objectively exist as an all omnipotent being is for the simulated universe theory to be true.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

It is freeing as an agnostic atheist; I've dropped the idea of sin. An unproven being cannot be 'sinned' against. The bible to begin with was written by man, until God himself visits all of humanity to introduce themselves...The shackles of sin that Christians wear is for them alone. No amount of shame or anger those believers attempt to burden me with will cause me to adopt the concept of sin again! Their creator must prove that it exists, as the burden of proof always lies with the one who presents an idea.

I simply act with a moral compass that guides me into not doing illegal or shitty things to other human beings. I feel this is enough to live a good life.

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