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The U.S. economy is booming. So why are tech companies laying off workers?::undefined

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Because they hired too many

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago

Booming for the rich?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

Because they’re greedy cunts and they want more profit.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It's a bunch of stuff.

The big companies all seriously upped their hiring game when COVID sent everybody work from home and all of a sudden a nice, cheap, workforce opened up all over the place. It's not that they're overstaffed at this point, but now that they can say look they're doing it over there too! The market's rough! A lot of big places have decided it's a good time to shed souls. They now have the opportunity to cut the more expensive people and the underperforming people, at the same time they get to increase their margins and improve their stock performance.

Interest rates are up so money's not free anymore (for the time being), advertising on the internet's getting harder due to legislation and public sentiment. SEO is getting harder. Everyone's dumping every available dollar they have into AI hoping to win big at buzzword bingo. Wages are starting to catch up to inflation they're paying more for what people they have. And honestly it's just an easy time for them to grab an extra couple of bucks.

A great number of the big guys probably are about to take a bath in corporate real estate.

There's also a another possible recession sitting around the corner. I believe there's already talk of the feds cutting rates again for a bit to try to side step it.

Honestly most of the stuff isn't really that new. But when Microsoft decides to do it, Google says hey that's a good idea let's do it! Everybody else is going to jump on board. Three - six months from now (assuming we're not mid recession) they'll probably be taking out billboards and reengaging bring a friend incentives again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

And honestly it’s just an easy time for them to grab an extra couple of bucks.

This is what it is. You didn't have to say more than this. The soulless husks that we know as directors want more money for themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago

The answer is that in this context "Economy" means the stock price of billionaires' vested companies, not the prosperity of a common citizen (a.k.a peasant)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

This corporate cycle isn't likely to change anytime soon right?

Top tier corps, boards, Cs, ultimately care about share price and growth right?

Isn't it tied to their pay incentives? To keep their contracts and incentives, they have to grow or reduce costs.

They make bad choices or bets among the way, no problem, just reduce costs and still meet the metrics. Only people who pay seem to be the workforce, right?

Or am I oversimplifying?

[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The US Economy is only booming for rich people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That does not explain it either

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Wealthy shareholders and C-suite executives are trying to squeeze out as much profit as they can. Their boom leads to bust for the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago

The past 40 years have shown me that no matter how well the economy is doing in the news, it doesnt mean shit for most Americans.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The same reason everything costs more without there being inflation, greed and the never ending desire to make the line go up. At the end of the day that’s all a publicly traded company cares about. Line go up. They will do whatever they can legally, or hidden from legal scrutiny to make that happen.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The line has spoken, it said "I am a line."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

But you could be ~~fire~~ a green up-line

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

But I am a stick!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I think that's synonymous with "all hail the shareholder"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They overhired during the pandemic adding to already bloated teams which could be made cost efficient during low prime-rate times. The tech job market is correcting back to proper levels. Schools and programs churning out new tech workers are contributing to this massively over populated job space.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Literally downvoted for the truth about the cuts. They're still above 2020 head counts.

However, there is still a huge shortage of tech workers. Just because huge companies do layoffs doesn't mean the overall hiring demand is down. Those handful of companies aren't the entire economy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Except the overall hiring demand IS down and it has been since December.

You know it's bad when across the globe, IT systems administrators aren't even getting hit up by RECRUITERS.

In the U.S. at least, it's been a continually "in demand" field since we recovered from the U.S. housing market crash of '08-'09... right up until before the New Year.

Now I'm hearing the same thing from people in the field worldwide and that is that there's been an uncharacteristic hiring stall in a historically consistent field of IT infrastructure.

The same is supposedly true in other portions of infrastructure as well, likely because companies still view infrastructure as a cost center instead of a force multiplier.

It remains to be seen if the hiring silence will extend to full stack devs/programmers if this heavy layoff follow the leader garbage goes on much longer, but if it hits "revenue generator" departments, I'm afraid we'll start to see other companies tech stacks failing like Twitter's current functionality has.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I asked an executive this very question, and he said that the board was getting pressure from stock-holders to reduce headcounts, and justifying that pressure by pointing to other large companies who had already undertaken massive layoffs, and the resulting rise in their stock prices. In this way layoffs become a game of follow the leader -- or like a contagion. "Google just fired a third of their workforce, why are we doing that? We should do what they did, look how successful they are."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Ugh well hopefully there will come a point when there's not actually enough people to layoff anymore. Then maybe the game of follow the leader will stop. Or maybe another one starts up where they start over hiring again, who knows

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Executive decision-making is like ChatGPT, but even dumber.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I wonder if it isn't a symptom of things going from high competition environment between new internet services and older stuff like cable to more established systems of revenue which don't have as much incentive to compete for workers or market share. So maybe that's the end result of approaching monopoly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Let us also not forget that AI does not work. They made internal promises to themselves about how it was going to radically transform everything, within the next couple of quarters it seems, and when those "promises" did not materialize... the workers are the ones holding the bag (not "blamed", yet jobless all the same). So much irony at every single level. Like AI really will transform everything, but dayum give it a second will you?

In short: everything is performing fully normally, more's the pity:-(.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The layoffs are precisely why the “economy” is “booming”.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Nah, reducing costs in one relatively small sector doesn't affect the GDP or other national-level metrics.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You have to open the box to find out if the economy is alive or dead.

I'm told the box once belonged to Pandora.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

“What’s in the box?!?!”

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Money isn't free anymore and they have a lot of debt

And

Elon broke the seal on firing huge swaths of a tech workforce to make your numbers look better.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You need more upvotes.

High interest rates are here, and it's likely to be some time before we get back down to the 1% interest rates we saw during covid (or even before).

Companies are shifting either to real or imagined pressures of the stick market. And those pressures are less about chasing unlimited growth and want to see some return.

Ergo. Layoffs. Meta producing dividends.

If interest rates stay high, I'd expect to see large megacorps shift more and more to profitability over growth.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'm old. These rates don't seem high at all. It's been higher for most of my life.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Elon broke the seal on firing huge swaths of a tech workforce to make your numbers look better.

Don't give him too much credit, it's hardly the first time the tech sector has gone through this cycle. Elon had to do it because he massively overpaid for Twitter. The fact that his layoffs came at the front of this wave is probably just coincidence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I wouldn't say coincidence. I'd say the others were wanting to do the same, but held back because of bad press. After Elon did it, they had an excuse that took the heat off.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

I really think a lot of this is "the other popular kids are doing it" and boards and VC saying basically the same thing to the c-suite.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Using out of touch metrics that say nothing about how the median household is doing is not helpful.

On the other hand if you measure by how much the shareholders are getting richer, the layoffs are exactly why the economy is considered booming. Record layoffs lead to record short term profits for the wealthy few.

Combined with billions in weapons being ordered and produced, oil producing competition being crushed, while gimping Europs growth. The Chinese hurting from the Evergrande debacle and the lithography embargo.

Plenty of reasons for the US as an entity to celebrate.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

It’s pretty clear to me that many companies are jumping on the layoff bandwagon right now since so many others are doing it too (doesn’t look as bad if your layoffs are drowned out in the noise). Easy way to increase profitability (on paper) and not look quite as bad if “everyone else is doing it.”

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago

Layoffs hurt GDP generally, but GDP doesn't really care as long as "value" is created elsewhere. Like you said, none of the measurements they use care about the median income. It's usually just generic measurements of "value" that don't mean anything for the people of a nation.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Laying people off is a way to juice the stock price in the short term. So perhaps the "economy is booming" because of the layoffs?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Absolutely, layoffs are exactly why some tech companies can boast of record profits.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Even the state of the economy is spun these days. Who even knows at this point, depending who you ask and what factors you look at.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Blame AI and share prices.

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