Wait until you find out about wood burning stoves and firepits. What they do to air quality inside your home even when you don't have either is scary
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I'm surprised gas anything is still common in some countries. Here, gas is pretty rare nowadays and only some apartments in the biggest cities even have any gas lines.
My new build house (built and bought last year) has a gas stove, furnace, dryer, and water heater. I'm in the US 🫠
What's with the recent push in MSM against gas stoves?
Lobbying by landlords. It is far cheaper for them to have individual apartments (with paper thing walls) that are responsible for their own heat vs a big concrete brownstone with a super efficient boiler moving energy around.
This is why the "study" explains how it "really" benefits the poor. You know the same way slave owners were altruistically helping their slaves. But the shills will lap it up. Who gives a shit right? The important thing is landlord capital not if poor people die because of a blackout.
Facts you don't like are still facts.
Given the EPAs policy on natural gas leaks was to ask the gas companies if they've noticed anything, I'd say we've got some distance to go on stopping the sale of natural gas stoves.
Climate Town has a good video on this subject - and others - that might be a good watch.
Also want to shout out Technology Connections' video.
The biggest problem with leaving gas stoves is all the older homes that simply are not equipped for them. Many homes with gas not only lack 240v 30a outlets in their kitchens, they may have only 100 or even 60 amp service and may not be able to even add such a circuit. Upgrading to electric could easily cost homeowners 5 figures.
Sounds like the solution is to increase the cost of gas until it costs more than 5 figures to continue using it.
Putting the screws to poor people won't improve the situation.
With governments refusing to take action to wean society off of fossil fuels, screwing poor people is an inevitability. The stuff is finite, eventually it runs out and the prices become unaffordable before the end.
Joe Manchin enters the chat
Chud cocks shotgun
"Gonna take mah stove outta my cold dead hands."
I'm guessing this is a non issue in a well ventilated area?
It's like you didn't even read the pithy article much less the study behind it.
"study"
I mean feel free to push back on any of the data the study provided. I mean I thought they could have done a better job with the effects of having a range hood but since that has been studied elsewhere and cited, I feel that it was acceptable with the scope they outlined.
I really shouldn't have to. As the study noted the homes they found with poor indoor quality had poor outdoor quality. Which means the oven really has little to do with it.
NOX is a product of incomplete diesel consumption. Do you want less NOX? Newer tighter regulations on trucks and give cops the power to pull over any truck with obvious air problems. After you do that let me know what the data in poor industrial areas shows. This whole study is garbage, it's like proving that homes without air-conditioning are hotter than homes with it, int eh same area. Yeah kinda figured.
Oh and don't give me any bullshit about how trucks can't get NOX down. All ships flagged in the EU did it 6 years ago.
WTF are you talking about? You're not even in the realm of the study anymore with your rantings here.
from the abstract:
Gas and propane stoves emit nitrogen dioxide (NO2) pollution indoors, but the exposures of different U.S. demographic groups are unknown. We estimate NO2 exposure and health consequences using emissions and concentration measurements from >100 homes, a room-specific indoor air quality model, epidemiological risk parameters, and statistical sampling of housing characteristics and occupant behavior. Gas and propane stoves increase long-term NO2 exposure 4.0 parts per billion volume on average across the United States, 75% of the World Health Organization’s exposure guideline. This increased exposure likely causes ~50,000 cases of current pediatric asthma from long-term NO2 exposure alone. Short-term NO2 exposure from typical gas stove use frequently exceeds both World Health Organization and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency benchmarks. People living in residences <800 ft2 in size incur four times more long-term NO2 exposure than people in residences >3000 ft2 in size; American Indian/Alaska Native and Black and Hispanic/Latino households incur 60 and 20% more NO2 exposure, respectively, than the national average.
They took samples before and after gas stoves were turned on inside various rooms in various houses and they state all of that in the study that that shit came from the stove and increased the levels of NO2 above WHO standards and not the outdoor environment. They're stating that gas stoves are problematic especially in lower income dwellings.
Also FTFS:
Consistent with previous research (10, 24, 25), we find that combustion from gas and propane stoves represents a major source of long- and short-term NO2 exposure that can exceed U.S. and WHO guidelines just by using a stove, independent of any outdoor NO2 exposures.
So again WTF are you on about?
N=18. No control.
Not convinced.
"Well-ventilated" being a higher standard than you'd probably expect, but yes. Standard over-range extractor isn't doing enough.
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