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Btw Suyu hosts a full backup of Yuzu (and other stuff like Ryujinx or Dolphin in case it gets taken down at some point) on their Forgejo instance
It's also available via Tor as an onion site: http://suyudev2qxj5x7mroamgwf4hqunz4pups27z2kl77x4ioqhh5yhpshad.onion/
I just hope the Citra forks won't be targeted. Citra was only killed as collateral damage, but I still can't help but be nervous anyway...
Suyu hosts their own repo
Unless the donations continue to flow, that repo won't last forever because hosting and serving data isn't free.
Eh, you can host a gitea instance on a $3.50 VPS pretty easily. I don't think money will be an issue when it comes to hosting and serving.
I got one of these. I dont understand why theyre going after us now. I thought their issue was all the money they were making off of "promoting piracy".
Im guess im not surprised
Nintendo just wants emulators gone. They only use those excuses as a front.
Bro, they have to stop!
Why there's no decentralized github-like ?
Check out forgejo. While git is „decentralized“ it is not discoverable. Forgejo is pretty much there afaik using ap protocol.
Git is already decentralised. Every github-like is interoperable with every other github-like. But just because something works together with many others doesn't makes it invulnerable to legal takedowns. Nintendo is a gaming company. They have no problems playing whack-a-mole, as demonstrated here.
I think there's a difference between distributed and decentralised. But apart from that 👍
Yeah, but Nintendo hasn't won a lawsuit, which means the code isn't illegal to share. They just convinced GitHub to take it down.
They convinced GitHub to send takedown notices, which can be appealed. They're legally required to do this under the DMCA.
- Forgejo: But ForgeFed, it's federation software is still under development
- Radicle: But they have unnecessary ties with crypto stuff
There's are a few, but they're pretty new. Codeberg / Forejo seems to be the most popular, at the moment.
But it's not yet federalized. I host my forgejo instance but others can't yet create issues there.
I've been kinda low key waiting for federation on Feorejo to move most of my personal projects off of GitHub. I've been busy anyway, so I guess, for me, it's a race between their clever devs and my procrastinating...
I'm so excited for it. Forgejo is by itself fully usable, but I want to be able to federate stuff.
Me too. GitHub is a huge part of my professional portfolio. I don't like trusting a single corporation with that much of my employment future. I saw colleagues who relied heavily of Twitter have a really bad time when it descended into bots and spam.
Forejo seems like the logical next step to protect my professional portfolio.
GitHub is huge for visibility, don't underestimate it. I put everything on my git server and mirror my important projects to GitHub and codeberg.org. One of the things I'm excited about is a method of discover ability for my stuff. And if course collaboration being possible on my server, as others can't open issues and stuff on my server.
Yeah. I'll keep things on GitHub, as well. GitHub has been very good for my professional portfolio.
But I'm hoping to get to where my primary activity is on my own servers, and everything is mirrored to GitGub, or vice-versa. That way, if GitHub decides to hold my portfolio hostage, I can just redirect my resume link and get on with my life.
Meanwhile ryujinx be like "nothing to see here"
IANAL, but they should be fine since they aren't decrypting / breaking DRM they same way Yuzu was. They are a much cleaner codebase, much more similar to mGBA and Dolphin.
But did yuzu actually break DRM? I thought that if I dumped my own game and keys with a modded (1st gen) switch and feed all of that into yuzu, nothing illegal would be going on.
This is probably in a legal grey area in the US. The Yuzu case was settled out of court because Nintendo had dirt on the team behind it, so it's unclear whether a judge would rule that this kind of circumvention is legal.
I don't believe Yuzu went to court, but that was the accusation Nintendo was suing them over. Ryujinx wasn't sued, so Nintendo either didn't believe they had done the same, or didn't care. We didn't get to have a discovery process for the case to find out for sure, so we don't know.
Ryujinx wasn’t sued, so Nintendo either didn’t believe they had done the same, or didn’t care.
Ryujinx is nowhere near as popular as Yuzu, so that probably has a lot to do with it.
It's also possible that they wouldn't win against Ryujinx. There's evidence of Yuzu devs sharing roms with each other to test out games, so it's possible that they settled to avoid discovery.
iirc it was yuzu who linked tools to do it, but the application itself didnt do it. Yuzus main problem was often linking to resources and advertising stuff, and partially locking it behind a paywall.
No, yuzu's main problem was being a for-profit company. That seemed to be central to Nintendo's case against them. The company behind yuzu was making millions.
Paid emulators have existed for ages and have won in US courts before.
They allegedly also advertised that newegames, like TotK was running better on the EA builds and there's the suspicion that the yuzu team also distributed the keys via torrents. All of these are just allegations, though.
The paywall as far as I know isn't that much of problem. Cemu has/had a paywall for years. Several other, though less successful, emulators have had paywalled content/early access as well. The BLEEM emulator that was brought to court was a paid commercial product. So that currently is perfectly legal within the jurisdiction of those cases. Nintendo's case against Yuzu was about piracy/DRM circumvention. That wasn't brought to court, so we don't know the outcome however.